[C Senor]

Seems that everywhere i look people are nagging each other about whats good about either WFP or TRAD.

Lets all have an official arguament, sorry - a discussion about the differences between WFP and Trad Cleaning.

Just one short PRO or CON per Post, about either method, you don't have to stick to your own method - If you're a Trad, then you can point out a CON in the WFP - or vice versa..

I'm trying to find out about WFP so i thought this would be a nice idea to get everything in one place, hope you all join in, i'm sure you will. 

I'll start...


TRAD PRO : Very, very low overheads.

[Trevor Knight]

WFP PRO - Much safer than ladders!!

[JM123]

TRAD pro's
low overheads
finished job each time

TRAD cons
slow(ish)
dangerous (ladders)
not as clean as wfp

WFP pros
very fast
frames/glass cleaned every time
safety
less tiring than trad

WFP cons
higher overheads
too many companies making too much money out of simple systems but charging £0000's for them
occasional spots on some properties

Overall I use trad about 5% of the time but for the jobs I use it on it would be better than wfp but the rest suit wfp far better

[Sarah Sarill]

WFP ; Pro: Increased speed= increased turnover.
          Con: On-going expense

Trad:  Pro: Low outgoings
          Con: Safety issues

Sarah


         

[Sir Squeaky]

WFP, Pros: Safer generally,
                  Cleans frames,
                  Easier to rip people off.

        Cons: Can't use on a lot of jobs.
                   Access problems.
                   Danger to public.
                   Inconsistant results.


Trad, Pros: Still fast (in the right hands)
                  Thorough job every time.
                  Less access problems.
       
         Cons: Dangerous if incompetent on ladders.
                   Some windows can't be reached.
                   Can be hard work.
                 
Rog. (balanced and fair I think)
                   

[Fast 1 *]

thats about the size of it

[scrimit2]

Traditional pro's

just do bungalows

problem solved

[sunshine windows]

Trad Pro's:  Easily check finshed results because you're face to face with window
                   No need to explain new technology to customers
                   When you've finshed your last job for the day that's you finished for the day. (apart from washing scrims and microfibres every other night)
                   No excess water wastage causing environmental problems

Trad Con's: I'm too bloody slow squeaky. (Time=money).
                   Ladders slid down the bonnet of my car 
                   Have had one too many OH S**T MOMENTS. Nearly falling from ladder
                   Ladders can cause damage to customers property. (Lawn, Tiled bays, having to trample over flower beds). Ok so that's me not the ladder



Wfp Pro's:   Much quicker resulting in higher turnover
                   Safer
                   Better for commercial work, high rise flats and 3 storey town houses
                   

Wfp Con's:  Constant maintenance required
                   Running costs. (Though revenue probably outways this).
                   Not having a clue what i'm talking about 

Enough said from me, apart from the fact that i'm trad and i clean the frames every time too.

Sunshine

[neil100]

WFP - More money per hour.

Trad - Less money per hour.

Nel.

[Sir Squeaky]

WFP - More money per hour.

Trad - Less money per hour.

Nel.

WFP - Narrow minded, deluded.

Trad - Wise, intelligent discussions.

[Archy136]

Wfp - more things to think about...Poles, RO systems, trolleys etc etc.

Trad - Need to be a trained monkey with permafrost in the brain.

[neil100]

Wfp - £10,000.00 more earnings in 7 months then what I got as a Trad wc.

Trad - I would have been £10,000.00 poorer if I had stayed Trad. Maybe a lot poorer if I had fallen off my ladder.

Who is the wiser wfp or Trad? Ummm

Nel.

[windows_chepstow]

There is a third option.

You can use ladders AND/OR a WFP depending on the task in hand.

There's not many windows I can't get too, if I want to get them.

But I do work safely now since getting a WFP.

Some jobs are faster, far faster with a WFP.  Some aren't!  It just depends on the geographical circumstances of the property concerned.

As other members here have coined the phrase, 'it's just another tool in the box', and it's an extremely good tool that will increase your turnover.

At the end of the day, a clean window is a clean window!

[neil100]

Yes I do use a ladder and wfp together.

Its when I do Consevatory roofs. I much prefer being above the roof as I can apply a lot more pressure with the brush when I'm cleaning plus I can see If I have removed all the stubborn marks.

Nel.

[Sir Squeaky]

Wfp - £10,000.00 more earnings in 7 months then what I got as a Trad wc.

Trad - I would have been £10,000.00 poorer if I had stayed Trad. Maybe a lot poorer if I had fallen off my ladder.

Who is the wiser wfp or Trad? Ummm

Nel.

Don't you mean who's bloody slow with a squeegee?
You wouldn't have done hardly any more money on my round in that amount of time.

Not a chance. You must have a round which isn't suited to trad.

[C Senor]

WFP CON : Future Water Shortages / Bans

[bumper]

wfp  not suit me coz of access,cost to much to set up.
if wfp is quicker,why is terry turbo champion,coz hes faster than wfp

[neil100]

The fact is I am a very quick Trad wc. I have very fast hand speed and I use an 18" squeegee with very little detailing to do. I am extremely fast up and down a ladder, in fact I have never met anyone who was faster then me in going up and down a ladder.

I am 48 yrs old but I am as fit as a fiddle. I still have a resting heart rate of 44 heart beats per second and when running I can still run for 20 mins at my max heart rate.

Over a day no w cleaner who as worked with me as been able to keep up if I go for it.

I think even you squeaks would struggle to keep up with me if I am going for it.

So how comes I have earned k10 more? Well  with wfp I am 30% faster on most stuff on my round. Some 100% faster, leads. This as given me more time so I have made £1500.00 in extra jobs such as Con roofs. I have been taking on more work around £800.00 a month cos I have extra time. Plus my prices went up 20% when I went wfp. If I had stayed trad I would of only put them up 8 or 10%, and I would not of increased the price untill the end of this year.

Nel.

 

[windows_chepstow]

The fact is I am a very quick Trad wc. I have very fast hand speed and I use an 18" squeegee with very little detailing to do. I am extremely fast up and down a ladder, in fact I have never met anyone who was faster then me in going up and down a ladder.

Nel.

 

Nel,

I've just deleted a post I wrote about Squeakies speed.  It was a little bit cheeky; and I self-moderated myself.

But I know Squeaky personally (Roger); he is fast; but no faster than any other fit and healthy person whose been window cleaning for a few years.

I spent an hour this evening with another local window cleaner; and he was just as fast; if not faster than Squeaky, with a squeegie.  (Tomo; a member here also).

Roger is just posting stuff like this to wind WFP users up; I can only think because he feels second class because he hasn't got the nous to get WFP set up.

So forgive him, for he does not know what the 'big toe' he's talking about.

[DaveBrown]

WFP - pro - 1st week with it, just been collecting and everyone LOVES it!

WFP - con - I'm half as fast as I was with Trad! Cant see that altering if I want to rinse throughly each time.