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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2020, 07:48:56 am »
Concerning the split water tank. We did the same to an Ionics tank by filling it up to quick. The air couldn't escape quick enough and it split the top of the tank open.
We repaired ours with black Sikaflex silicone sealant. It hasn't leaked since.
Lightly sand the outside edge of the split with sandpaper. Clean with a degreaser. Run two lengths of 2" masking tape along the original weld lines. Pry open the tank with a plastic wedge and dry the joint as much as possible. Using a decent silicone gun, apply silicone in the joint. Remove wedge so the  joint closes then find something to hold the split joint together. Now run a thick bead of silicone to the outside of the joint and smooth it out evenly with a wet spreader. Try and keep the silicone as a thick smooth bead. Remove the two strips of masking tape when the silicone is still wet. Wait to cure for two days before use.

dazmond

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2020, 09:15:06 am »
ive never seen a tank like that before......you should  just buy a plastic wydale tank IMO...their cheap and solid...ive had mine for years......

it seems ridiculous that a tank can split like that....esp with it being ionics!you d expect better!yet another reason to never buy from them!
price higher/work harder!

deeege

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2020, 09:37:53 am »
ive never seen a tank like that before......you should  just buy a plastic wydale tank IMO...their cheap and solid...ive had mine for years......

it seems ridiculous that a tank can split like that....esp with it being ionics!you d expect better!yet another reason to never buy from them!

I have a tank like that also. Custom made by Stephen Scargill about 7 years ago.

With any welded equipment there’s always a chance for the weld to fail, but mine hasn’t and this is the first time I’ve seen it happen.

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dazmond

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2020, 09:48:46 am »
it should be a non issue though....none of us should expect a tank to start leaking under normal circumstances
price higher/work harder!

robert mitchell

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2020, 05:03:13 pm »
ive never seen a tank like that before......you should  just buy a plastic wydale tank IMO...their cheap and solid...ive had mine for years......

it seems ridiculous that a tank can split like that....esp with it being ionics!you d expect better!yet another reason to never buy from them!


I bought it secondhand , it’s from 2009 and it’s my fault it split , I fill from a static system and the breather on the tank that allows the air out as the water goes in was blocked .

Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank .......... especially one that’s been fitted by morons , no offence Daz , I love your posts and positivity but you were ripped off by that garage .
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dazmond

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2020, 06:50:06 pm »
ive never seen a tank like that before......you should  just buy a plastic wydale tank IMO...their cheap and solid...ive had mine for years......

it seems ridiculous that a tank can split like that....esp with it being ionics!you d expect better!yet another reason to never buy from them!


I bought it secondhand , it’s from 2009 and it’s my fault it split , I fill from a static system and the breather on the tank that allows the air out as the water goes in was blocked .

Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank .......... especially one that’s been fitted by morons , no offence Daz , I love your posts and positivity but you were ripped off by that garage .

Ripped off yeah!I've been taking cars and van's theres for 30 years!in fact hes charged me very little for servicing over the years....he even replaced a back axle for me on an old kangoo for next to nothing....he changed oil and filter on my van on monday for £65(£5 less than last year!).......I dont take my golf GTD there though....that goes to a proper VW garage for servicing.....👍
price higher/work harder!

capn sparkle

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2020, 07:45:20 pm »
Have emailed a couple of places .......... im toying with the idea of self tapping some angle iron over it with silicone underneath .......good idea?

Iron no but Aluminum angle and silicone I think you'd get away with. The wider Ally angle the better as this will give you greater structural rigidity.

CleanClear

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2020, 08:42:38 pm »

Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank ..........

At some point its going to dawn on you that your crash tested tank just failed. Thankfully you where not in any accident or it could of split apart totally and caused you serious damage. And if there was any kids nearby it could of hurt them too, possibly resulting in death with that large weight of water. Its certainley concerning  that the tanks structure has failed.
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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2020, 09:20:47 pm »
ive never seen a tank like that before......you should  just buy a plastic wydale tank IMO...their cheap and solid...ive had mine for years......

it seems ridiculous that a tank can split like that....esp with it being ionics!you d expect better!yet another reason to never buy from them!


I bought it secondhand , it’s from 2009 and it’s my fault it split , I fill from a static system and the breather on the tank that allows the air out as the water goes in was blocked .

Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank .......... especially one that’s been fitted by morons , no offence Daz , I love your posts and positivity but you were ripped off by that garage .

Make sure your repair is acceptable to Ionics, or the  crash guarantee you thought you had will go out the window (pardon the pun) if they find you have been messing with its structural rigidity and construction.
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robert mitchell

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2020, 09:32:57 pm »

Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank ..........

At some point its going to dawn on you that your crash tested tank just failed. Thankfully you where not in any accident or it could of split apart totally and caused you serious damage. And if there was any kids nearby it could of hurt them too, possibly resulting in death with that large weight of water. Its certainley concerning  that the tanks structure has failed.

Are you on crack or something ?

The tank will almost certainly come apart in a crash and the water will spill out , this will not kill me or any kids that happen to be walking past either , the main bulk of the system will stay put and not smash me to smithereens on its way out of the van.

There is no guarantee , i bought it secondhand .
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robert mitchell

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2020, 09:33:37 pm »
Thank you everyone else for your help , will let you know how it goes!
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Splash & dash

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2020, 09:40:06 pm »
ive never seen a tank like that before......you should  just buy a plastic wydale tank IMO...their cheap and solid...ive had mine for years......

it seems ridiculous that a tank can split like that....esp with it being ionics!you d expect better!yet another reason to never buy from them!


I bought it secondhand , it’s from 2009 and it’s my fault it split , I fill from a static system and the breather on the tank that allows the air out as the water goes in was blocked .

Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank .......... especially one that’s been fitted by morons , no offence Daz , I love your posts and positivity but you were ripped off by that garage .

Make sure your repair is acceptable to Ionics, or the  crash guarantee you thought you had will go out the window (pardon the pun) if they find you have been messing with its structural rigidity and construction.


They are designed to rupture in a severe accident that’s what the lids are for on the latest tanks the water is released in a controlled manner to stop the impact damage of a solid object

CleanClear

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2020, 09:53:35 pm »

Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank ..........

At some point its going to dawn on you that your crash tested tank just failed. Thankfully you where not in any accident or it could of split apart totally and caused you serious damage. And if there was any kids nearby it could of hurt them too, possibly resulting in death with that large weight of water. Its certainley concerning  that the tanks structure has failed.

Are you on crack or something ?

The tank will almost certainly come apart in a crash and the water will spill out , this will not kill me or any kids that happen to be walking past either , the main bulk of the system will stay put and not smash me to smithereens on its way out of the van.

There is no guarantee , i bought it secondhand .

Crack ? No. i'm just drunk. I'll alert Rueben to this post and see what he thinks? I'd guess they only crash guarantee what they fit , thats why it seemed odd to me that you mentioned "crash tested" . Wydale tanks construction ensures they cannot come apart. I was genuinely suprised at just how flimsy that tank of yours is. In anycase to "repair" it, you can use any angle bead type thing you  choose that you think will be flexible and rigid but this will stick it (to any surface) and remain waterproof and flexible..............
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sikaflex-Caravan-Adhesive-Caravans-Trailers/dp/B0036KGDH0?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duc08-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B0036KGDH0

Its recommended by  http://www.caktanks.co.uk/  and thats what they pretty much do, water tanks amongst other stuff.

BTW i'm not having a pop at you, its more a pop at Ionics and their great systems that apparently fall apart. But anyway.............. Good luck saving it.
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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2020, 09:57:00 pm »
ive never seen a tank like that before......you should  just buy a plastic wydale tank IMO...their cheap and solid...ive had mine for years......

it seems ridiculous that a tank can split like that....esp with it being ionics!you d expect better!yet another reason to never buy from them!


I bought it secondhand , it’s from 2009 and it’s my fault it split , I fill from a static system and the breather on the tank that allows the air out as the water goes in was blocked .

Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank .......... especially one that’s been fitted by morons , no offence Daz , I love your posts and positivity but you were ripped off by that garage .

Make sure your repair is acceptable to Ionics, or the  crash guarantee you thought you had will go out the window (pardon the pun) if they find you have been messing with its structural rigidity and construction.


They are despite rupture in a severe accident that’s what the lids are for on the latest tanks the water is released in a controlled manner to stop the impact damage of a solid object

There is no danger of impact from a solid object with an Ionics crash tested system. They have accreditation and a video to show this. They claim it "maintains its structual rigidity". Maybe we could fill up big water balloons in our vans that would fall apart easily ? Everyone get wet but no one get hurt ?
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robert mitchell

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2020, 09:01:08 am »

Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank ..........

At some point its going to dawn on you that your crash tested tank just failed. Thankfully you where not in any accident or it could of split apart totally and caused you serious damage. And if there was any kids nearby it could of hurt them too, possibly resulting in death with that large weight of water. Its certainley concerning  that the tanks structure has failed.

Are you on crack or something ?

The tank will almost certainly come apart in a crash and the water will spill out , this will not kill me or any kids that happen to be walking past either , the main bulk of the system will stay put and not smash me to smithereens on its way out of the van.

There is no guarantee , i bought it secondhand .

Crack ? No. i'm just drunk. I'll alert Rueben to this post and see what he thinks? I'd guess they only crash guarantee what they fit , thats why it seemed odd to me that you mentioned "crash tested" . Wydale tanks construction ensures they cannot come apart. I was genuinely suprised at just how flimsy that tank of yours is. In anycase to "repair" it, you can use any angle bead type thing you  choose that you think will be flexible and rigid but this will stick it (to any surface) and remain waterproof and flexible..............
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sikaflex-Caravan-Adhesive-Caravans-Trailers/dp/B0036KGDH0?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duc08-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B0036KGDH0

Its recommended by  http://www.caktanks.co.uk/  and thats what they pretty much do, water tanks amongst other stuff.

BTW i'm not having a pop at you, its more a pop at Ionics and their great systems that apparently fall apart. But anyway.............. Good luck saving it.

They did fit it , it was already installed in the van when i bought it , it didnt fall apart , i broke it.

That silicone will not work , it does not work on polyethylene or polypropylene .
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Martin Lane

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2020, 09:05:28 am »
Hi
Give Damian a call at Ionics he will be able to advise the best way to repair tank or what you need to do to get it sorted properly

windowswashed

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2020, 11:53:38 am »
If you fit three plastic blocks inside the top of the lid to the sides using long reach bolts leaving sufficient room to add large thick washers and nylon nuts to the end of the thread to keep the blocks from falling into the tank.   Roughen both edges with coarse grit, clean with alcohol rubs, then apply tiger seal. Close up the gap by tightening the nylon washers down so the two sides butt up tightly and leave the sealant to dry for at least two hours the tank should be secure and strong enough to last for a long time.

Mike Halliday

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2020, 11:59:42 am »
Not read all the replies but can it not be glued with 2 part apoxy, maybe then using an angled piece of aluminium  with apoxy and self tapping screws to reinforce it
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Splash & dash

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Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2020, 01:37:31 pm »
Not read all the replies but can it not be glued with 2 part apoxy, maybe then using an angled piece of aluminium  with apoxy and self tapping screws to reinforce it




The plastic theses tanks are made from arnt well suited for gluing they need welding , basically nothing will stick to it !!!

Re: Can this be fixed ......
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2020, 02:22:54 pm »
Not read all the replies but can it not be glued with 2 part apoxy, maybe then using an angled piece of aluminium  with apoxy and self tapping screws to reinforce it




The plastic theses tanks are made from arnt well suited for gluing they need welding , basically nothing will stick to it !!!
Well I managed to stick plastic runners to the top of mine to slide a ladder on top of. I used stixall as I posted link to previously and it worked  ???