[Slacky]

Who has shoulder issues as a result of WFP?

[Den68]

Who has shoulder issues as a result of WFP?

Electric reel sorted my almost overnight, my everyday pole is a extreme 18 expensive granted but worth it in my opinion.

[dazmond]

Who has shoulder issues as a result of WFP?

not me and i dont know any WFP window cleaners who have had shoulder problems either.......

[Missing Link]

Who has shoulder issues as a result of WFP?

Yes; I've had a rotor cuff injury about 8/9 years ago.  Excruciating pain, like I was being stabbed in the shoulder.  I was using the old aluminium wfp at the time.  This went on for some time till Wor Lass forced me to the docs who gave me a strong anti-inflammatory which definitely helped, but there was a continued weakness there for a long time.

But since weightlifting - regularly - for the past three years, not a jot of a problem.  To begin with I had to 'baby' my shoulder; i.e. lift lighter because it just didn't feel right.  But over time they just got stronger and now my shoulder joint health is excellent.

Have you seen your doc?

[Michael Peterson]

What can certainly help is a stretchy excersise band £6 from Tesco’s and then watch shoulder mobilisation on YouTube by ido portal , when your working Elbows in

[Dave Willis]

Yep, right shoulder wrecked, unable to raise my arm out to the side. Left shoulder starting to go the same way, some of it is age related I’m sure. Bench pressing stupid weights when younger probably didn’t help. Refuse to do gutter cleaning now as it’s not worth the pain.

[dazmond]

Yep, right shoulder wrecked, unable to raise my arm out to the side. Left shoulder starting to go the same way, some of it is age related I’m sure. Bench pressing stupid weights when younger probably didn’t help. Refuse to do gutter cleaning now as it’s not worth the pain.

a decent personal trainer could probably help your shoulder problems  dave.......a guy in my local gym has helped a few people out with various stretching routines/band work....

i never bench press with a bar anymore,dumbbell press only at various angles,you get a better stretch on the pecs and it takes the stress off the shoulders,its actually a better muscle builder overall than a barbell as theres a bigger range of motion....

theres a lot of guys with shoulder problems in the gym from heavy barbell bench pressing,theres no need for it....you can still build an impressive chest with a mixture of dumbbells,machine press,pec deck and cables.....

[Jonny Swirljet]

Happy New Year
Re shoulder issues - Don't get me started
I'm currently having physiotherapy treatment and next week is my third visit, the band and other various exercises haven't helped. The physio is going to refer me to a NHS specialist because he fears there may be calcium deposits under the shoulder which is the root cause of the pain. The operation is keyhole day surgery but i think it's worth it if i could just have a nights sleep without that nagging pain (no i don't mean the wife and no, the surgeon didn't study at Yale University)

If and when i do have an op, i'll contribute a post on the subject - I'm a student of Krav Maga so the outcome may be of interest  to you guys who do martial arts and have similar problems   

[dazmond]

Who has shoulder issues as a result of WFP?

Yes; I've had a rotor cuff injury about 8/9 years ago.  Excruciating pain, like I was being stabbed in the shoulder.  I was using the old aluminium wfp at the time.  This went on for some time till Wor Lass forced me to the docs who gave me a strong anti-inflammatory which definitely helped, but there was a continued weakness there for a long time.

But since weightlifting - regularly - for the past three years, not a jot of a problem.  To begin with I had to 'baby' my shoulder; i.e. lift lighter because it just didn't feel right.  But over time they just got stronger and now my shoulder joint health is excellent.

Have you seen your doc?

ive never had a rotor cuff injury thank God but the last 3 years of regular weight training as defo improved my overall strength and muscle mass and as a result less strain when wfpoling.....genetically im like my dad,strong powerful arms and torso and skinny legs(im working on them!).....

my back has developed a lot in 3 years too,i never used to have lats or a strong upper back like i have now which helps when poling at awkward angles....

[dazmond]

Happy New Year
Re shoulder issues - Don't get me started
I'm currently having physiotherapy treatment and next week is my third visit, the band and other various exercises haven't helped. The physio is going to refer me to a NHS specialist because he fears there may be calcium deposits under the shoulder which is the root cause of the pain. The operation is keyhole day surgery but i think it's worth it if i could just have a nights sleep without that nagging pain (no i don't mean the wife and no, the surgeon didn't study at Yale University)

If and when i do have an op, i'll contribute a post on the subject - I'm a student of Krav Maga so the outcome may be of interest  to you guys who do martial arts and have similar problems

so how are you wfpoling day in/day out?do you just work through the pain and take ibuprofen?

a shoulder injury is a window cleaners worse nightmare these days.....

[Dave Willis]

I used to weight train like a loon when young. Pretty pointless excersise really, unless you like strutting in front of the mirror like a peacock. These days the youngsters are pumped with drugs anyway. Very few can cope with aerobic excersise. Jump on a bicycle Dazmond and you’ll soon realise how poor your cardio performance is. Why the skinny legs? Don’t like squats? Make you puff too much? Train your weaknesses.

[andyM]

Fortunately I don't suffer from a shoulder injury, but I do get neck and shoulder ache/strain from time to time.
I usually find this rears it's head during  periods when i am doing an above average workload due to an upcoming holiday etc. and when using bad technique.
I tend to slip into a bad habit of over extending my arms when poling upper windows and doing that a lot throughout the day puts strain on the front of the shoulders and neck.
When i am focusing on technique i find it best to keep a slight bend in the elbows, and use my lower (right) hand to do most of the pushing and pulling of the pole in the up and down motion.
I also try to make sure my upper (left) hand does not go above shoulder level.
 

[nathankaye]

You may feel silly doing so, but if you dont already, let the bigger muscles like the legs do most of the work for you. Angle the pole/brush n walk it up n down rather than the smaller shoulder/arm muscles.

[KS Cleaning]

I also had problems with my rotator cuff a few years back, physiotherapy and exercises eventually cured it, along with alternating how I place my hands on my pole

[Shrek]

I don’t think the univalve helps with shoulder problems as you have to hold your pole near the base so you can tug on the hose. Meaning your arms are up in the air norms of the time.... just my findings

[dazmond]

I used to weight train like a loon when young. Pretty pointless excersise really, unless you like strutting in front of the mirror like a peacock. These days the youngsters are pumped with drugs anyway. Very few can cope with aerobic excersise. Jump on a bicycle Dazmond and you’ll soon realise how poor your cardio performance is. Why the skinny legs? Don’t like squats? Make you puff too much? Train your weaknesses.

yes its not very smart if your training too hard with bad form,your gonna end up with a bunch of injuries,i do cardio as well every session Dave(stationary bike).my legs are skinny compared to my top half(my dads the same)but their not too bad(getting better!)

no i dont do barbell squats but i do deadlifts with a barbell.i want to still be able to go to the gym long into my 50s and 60s so i look after myself and dont do anything stupid.im not suited to squats due to my height(6ft 2in)and ive had lower back/dodgy knee problems before so i avoid squats....

the hack squat machine is a good substitute as well as leg press,leg curls,leg extensions for me anyway.......

[DeLuce]

I've always been the active sort.
But since wfp  I've had muscle knots forming across the tops of my shoulders, just above the shoulder blade. It can make upstairs poling quite painful.
A few years ago I decided to go to a sports therapist massager. I now go every month - 6wks. It makes a huge difference. He takes out the knots that build up across the shoulders and neck.
If its been a jumping over gates week, he massages out the knot in my calf that I seem to get at times.
For me, I think it is money well spent. My body is as important as my van. Vans need maintenance and services. It helps keep them reliable and performing well. I can't work if my van is off the road!
 I would recommend it!! I pay out £30. It used to be £40, but a newer lad started in the practice and he doesn't talk as much as the previous fella, who stopped working when he talked. So, better  value 
 if you think about it, our muscles are linked together. If you injure or pull one, your body compensates. It then has the ability to over stress another muscle. This can cause greater problems, which may not be felt immediately, but over time.
Sooooo, get niggles sorted. It's money well spent not wasted.

[Slacky]

Who has shoulder issues as a result of WFP?

not me and i dont know any WFP window cleaners who have had shoulder problems either.......

You do now 

[mufcglen]

I used to have sleepless nights using my old slx22 from a niggling shoulder injury from football a few years ago, tried exercises and building more muscle up etc nothing helped then bought an xtreme22 and within a week I was sleeping better and its gone!
Wouldn’t go back from an xtreme now👌

[Missing Link]

Very few can cope with aerobic excersise. Jump on a bicycle Dazmond and you’ll soon realise how poor your cardio performance is.

I live with an ultra marathoner; she's pretty decent too.  She's done 100 miles in under 24 hours, which is good, and was first woman and she beat most of the blokes.  This year she plans to do a non-stop 185 miler, from south to north wales.  They have a 70 hour cut off time; I'm her support crew.

I've done a 46 mile ultra - near killed me - didn't like it; not doing another. 

But most people don't know how to build a good aerobic base.

One thing regular weight training and aerobic development has given me is the ability to knock out a great days work and not feel tired at the end of it.

Weight training and running really helps with window cleaning; I'm feeling bomb-proof from a mechanical/physical point of view.