[Missing Link]

the hack squat machine is a good substitute as well as leg press,leg curls,leg extensions for me anyway.......

I squat and dead lift, but I'm a huge fan of weighted walking dumb bell lunges.

I can feel the power in my arse muscles when I'm running up hills and I'm sure it's the lunges that've made the difference.

[Jonny Swirljet]

Happy New Year
Re shoulder issues - Don't get me started
I'm currently having physiotherapy treatment and next week is my third visit, the band and other various exercises haven't helped. The physio is going to refer me to a NHS specialist because he fears there may be calcium deposits under the shoulder which is the root cause of the pain. The operation is keyhole day surgery but i think it's worth it if i could just have a nights sleep without that nagging pain (no i don't mean the wife and no, the surgeon didn't study at Yale University)

If and when i do have an op, i'll contribute a post on the subject - I'm a student of Krav Maga so the outcome may be of interest  to you guys who do martial arts and have similar problems

so how are you wfpoling day in/day out?do you just work through the pain and take ibuprofen?

a shoulder injury is a window cleaners worse nightmare these days.....

I've had shoulder problems since 2013 and to be honest i ignored the pain until it became a real concern and common sense kicked in about treating the condition. Ibuprofen were not good long term for me and the ibuprofen gel didn't touch it. The doctor then prescribed co-codamol which i took at night to gain a some pain relief just to get some sleep. If i can just say, i wish i'd never gone down the co-codamol route, if you could inscribe the warning "the devil incarnate" on a prescription drug packaging, that would be my choice of wording for these tablets, steer clear at your peril.  As far as day to day coping with shoulder pain and cleaning windows, i tend to only use my right arm to steady the pole and lift with my left.   
The above is only my opinion on the use of prescribed medication but it is written from the heart from someone who's lived comfortably numb through the 60's & 70's.

[Missing Link]

Ibuprofen were not good long term for me and the ibuprofen gel didn't touch it.

Agree with you here; reference 'not a long term solution'.

A running friend and army reservist friend of mine put himself in hospital with to much Vitamin I (Ibruprofen) over a prolonged period.  It gave him a stomach bleed and he was in a bad way for some months.

[dazmond]

the hack squat machine is a good substitute as well as leg press,leg curls,leg extensions for me anyway.......

I squat and dead lift, but I'm a huge fan of weighted walking dumb bell lunges.

I can feel the power in my arse muscles when I'm running up hills and I'm sure it's the lunges that've made the difference.

Lunges hurt my knees so I avoid them too tosh.....

[dazmond]

I used to weight train like a loon when young. Pretty pointless excersise really, unless you like strutting in front of the mirror like a peacock. These days the youngsters are pumped with drugs anyway. Very few can cope with aerobic excersise. Jump on a bicycle Dazmond and you’ll soon realise how poor your cardio performance is. Why the skinny legs? Don’t like squats? Make you puff too much? Train your weaknesses.

Most of the guys I know in my local gym DONT use steroids.weight training is very beneficial if training for fitness......

It's the release of endorphins after a workout too which is a nice feeling,stronger bone mass and more muscle retained as we age.....

3 -4 hours a week is enough.......

How old are u anyway dave?it's even more important to keep up some sort of exercise routine as we grow older......