[John Kelly]

If the carpet manufacturers know as much about cleaning carpets as upholstery manufacturers know about cleaning their fabrics, god help us.

[andy roberts]

Brintons will also tell you that their carpets never suffer from pile reversal : When we all know that they do.

This is incorrect. On most Brintons samples especially velvet pile they warn about the possibility of pile reversal and the fact this is a charactistic of this type of finish and dont therefore guarantee against it.

Regards  Andy

[andy roberts]

does anyone give a rats bottom what the carpet manufacturers say : :

all they are interested in doing is covering there own backs,

Manufacturers do intense testing on all their fibres before production that includes the effect on this type of pressure. To not take their advise on issues relating to your industry is foolish.

They are not just covering their own backs ( I agree) but they are advising as a result of many years of carpet fibre testing and knowledge about different fibre compositions, cleaning methods which includes aggresive pile aggitation leading to matting & possibly pile fusian.

Regards  Andy

[jbcleaning]

So how come Brintons recommend dry carpet cleaning and dry foam with cylindrical brushes if agitation is so bad for their carpets?

I think we're getting rotary agitation and cylindrical agitation mixed up here.

[andy roberts]

So how come Brintons recommend dry carpet cleaning and dry foam with cylindrical brushes if agitation is so bad for their carpets?

I think we're getting rotary agitation and cylindrical agitation mixed up here.

I'm talking about rotary machine agitation, however an email Ive had back from Greg Harrison from Brintons (& others but his was the first so Im quoting him)states what Ive said in past posts regarding general agitation, manual & otherwise. My original enquiry was just about using machinery but they then included manual agitation and would only say to lightly agitate in localised areas.

Regards Andy.

[Kev Loomes]

Carpetmate

Just out of interest have you ever cleaned a carpet yourself? and have you ever done any courses? I suspect not.

Professionals in this industry will take each carpet on its own merits, then decide what type of agitation is necessary (if any) dependent on their findings. Most carpets that are cleaned can safely have cylindrical or rotary agitation without causing problems. There's just not enough speed to do so. Yes, if some newbie or someone who doesnt know what they are doing becuse they've never been trained, who uses some wizzy dizzy thousand mile an hour agitator thats just come out, on a almost new carpet or on a loop or whatever, whatever, then there COULD be a problem, yes.

Why are your guys not agitating either? do they not know how to clean a carpet too? If there were any problems dont you think that professionals would advise against them??

Get real, take some courses, get experienced and yes Brintons are covering their bums (like everyone is saying). Its the same with upholstery. 90% of manufacurers say to dry clean only, when we know that 90% of fabrics can be wet cleaned. They dont want any hassle - GET IT YET?

No disrespect, Im sure your a great carpet fitter.

[HolmansUKLTD]

Got to agree there CArpetmate im not sure how long you have been cleaning carpets but manufacturers do put these things on paper to put the willies up people, how many times have you seen Dry Clean Only on upholstery when you know damm well you can wet clean it?? this is to safeguard their own backs when customers whack a soaking wet sponge over it, As with pile reversal i am a trained manufacturer fault technician and have carried out sub contract work for stoddard templeton pile reversal is a phonenhem :  some companies still believe its to do with static electric but know one knows excatly what it is.

Nick

[carpetclean]

well said mike . incidentally unless i am mistaken on the brintons link it is recommending agitation for dry cleaning, if used for dry cleaning it can surely be used for wet with the same brushes.

[HolmansUKLTD]

I think carpetmate is one of those people who likes to build up loads of posts :

he is averaging 5 a day since may 28th

After a bit of time the novelty will where off and he will dissapear like most of the fast posters

[andy roberts]

Carpetmate

Just out of interest have you ever cleaned a carpet yourself? and have you ever done any courses? I suspect not.

Why are your guys not agitating either? do they not know how to clean a carpet too? If there were any problems dont you think that professionals would advise against them??

Get real, take some courses, get experienced and yes Brintons are covering their bums (like everyone is saying). Its the same with upholstery. 90% of manufacurers say to dry clean only, when we know that 90% of fabrics can be wet cleaned. They dont want any hassle - GET IT YET?

No disrespect, Im sure your a great carpet fitter.

As a professional I try and answer questions in a polite and constructive way, however the way and tone some posts are written its quite difficult to give constructive replies - but I'll try. Answering your questions as follows:-

I have cleaned carpets and yes we have had instructors from Prochem come to Jersey to give us an induction course on the machinery & equipment we purchased. We also did the carpet & upholstery cleaning courses here. Yes I had to pay extra for this.

My chaps are not aggitating for the reasons Ive stated in previous posts.

Whislt it is very rare that I work on site whether fitting or cleaning (I have another business to look after too) I have 21 years working in the carpet industry from sales, measuring, planning, fitting & more recently cleaning. Ive attended numerous courses over the years including manaufacturers courses. I dont however profess to know everything, Im still learning as you are.

Yes I like to think Im a good fitter although I dont do alot these days. As Im getting older Im getting slower.

I hope Ive answered all your questions however if you have any more personal ones then I would please ask you to email where I will respond in full.

Regards  Andy

  

[HolmansUKLTD]

Carpetmate

Just out of interest have you ever cleaned a carpet yourself? and have you ever done any courses? I suspect not.

Why are your guys not agitating either? do they not know how to clean a carpet too? If there were any problems dont you think that professionals would advise against them??

Get real, take some courses, get experienced and yes Brintons are covering their bums (like everyone is saying). Its the same with upholstery. 90% of manufacurers say to dry clean only, when we know that 90% of fabrics can be wet cleaned. They dont want any hassle - GET IT YET?

No disrespect, Im sure your a great carpet fitter.

As a professional I try and answer questions in a polite and constructive way, however the way and tone some posts are written its quite difficult to give constructive replies - but I'll try. Answering your questions as follows:-

What did you expect putting a post like this on a CC forum with guys who have 100's of years expierence between them :

[andy roberts]

I think carpetmate is one of those people who likes to build up loads of posts :

he is averaging 5 a day since may 28th

After a bit of time the novelty will where off and he will dissapear like most of the fast posters

If there is a problem with me posting then I shall refrain from doing so. Like everyone Im here to give advise and receive advise and to share my experiences. I maybe a so called fast poster that is because I am a strong character and have knowledge of the carpet industry to share. I just wish people would be more diligent with the contents of their postings - offending people doesn't get you anywhere.

Regards  Andy

[Kev Loomes]

I have cleaned carpets and yes we have had instructors from Prochem come to Jersey to give us an induction course on the machinery & equipment we purchased. We also did the carpet & upholstery cleaning courses here.   

With all due respect, all some of us are saying is, by disregarding completely what professional cleaners have to say is a tad insulting. Imagine if a cleaner told you how best to lay a carpet after fitting one for the first time!

You must know a lot about carpet fitting but you cannot instantly blend into carpet cleaning professing instant knowledge.

Dont be too sensitive Carpetmate. Take some purely constructive advice, give it time, and learn all about what can be a complex industry (and take with a pinch of salt what manufacturers say - you'll realise this eventually). We are not insulting you, but perhaps you could go about it writing statements with a bit more thought!
 

Regards

[Liahona]

Use a truckmount and you wont have to agitate again, ever!! Best, Dave.......and we wouldnt have had to go through all the above....

[Kev Loomes]

[Woops, dont know what happened there!.....]

Carpetmate

Unfortunately having initial training by a manufacturer isnt enough. Yes its great to learn how to use a machine (theirs) but thats it! You need so much more, along with experience over years to know whats what. But it doesnt stop there, everone keeps learning even after 20yrs.

So with all due respect, all some of us are saying is, by disregarding completely what professional cleaners have to say is a tad insulting. Imagine if a cleaner told you how best to lay a carpet after fitting one for the first time!

You must know a lot about carpet fitting but you cannot instantly blend into carpet cleaning professing instant knowledge.

Dont be too sensitive Carpetmate. Take some purely constructive advice, give it time, and learn all about what can be a complex industry (and take with a pinch of salt what manufacturers say - you'll realise this eventually). We are not insulting you, but perhaps you could go about it writing statements with a bit more thought!

Dave

Nice one, like it!

[andy roberts]

Formula6

Withour wanting to prolong the debate you would appear not to have read my previous posts diligently. You are coming accross on your posts ominously, which im sure your not.

What you state in your last post is just reminisng on what Ive covered already so Im not repeating myself.

Regards  Andy

[andy roberts]

Dave

I know you agree with me on this one (thats a first)

TM might be an option will have to put accross a good case for one in our next board meeting.

oooppps  another post Ive written!

Regards  Andy

[HolmansUKLTD]

Too much spare time on your hands....Go out and clean

[andy roberts]

Too much spare time on your hands....Go out and clean

Fortunatly, I am well off so I dont have to if I dont want to. Thats why my company employs people.

It makes me a bit suspious of the cleaners on here who like to throw stones hiding behind  hidden emails, names or age etc. One cleaner professed to know everything at the grand old age of 22. 

Regards  Andy

[HolmansUKLTD]

Depends how young they started. but i do know what you mean :