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Soupy

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Osha clean
« on: January 03, 2018, 05:03:39 pm »
So they're back/still on the go then?
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The Jester of Wibbly

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Re: Osha clean
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2018, 05:24:13 pm »
Yes looks like it and never bothered to answer our questions last time.

They don't want to do the work. And want others to pay their bills.    They had a huge investment given to them by Virgin. Now they use crowd funding after closing down for a year.

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Og

Re: Osha clean
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2018, 06:35:08 pm »
When we went vat they ceased using us.

capn sparkle

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Re: Osha clean
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2018, 07:38:07 pm »
I've popped my postcode into their site but apparently no windies in my area.  ;D ;D

Soupy

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Re: Osha clean
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2018, 08:03:03 pm »
When we went vat they ceased using us.

So, just small sole traders they're interested in using then?

Were their prices ok?
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Og

Re: Osha clean
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2018, 08:56:21 pm »
Pretty average.

Splash & dash

  • Posts: 4364
Re: Osha clean
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2018, 11:18:08 pm »
Don稚 understand why anyone would do this get your own customers is the best way no middle men needed

Marc Stock

Re: Osha clean
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2018, 11:56:32 pm »
Hopefully they will give up.

Thier website is somewhat lacking, and a nice picture of them sitting down thinking ....yeah we are young trendy types...with our moderen furniture...oh dear our credit cards are at the limit..i know lets do this...and make money for sitting about in our slightly above average furniture.

Hope they see the replies on here i can tell you they havent got a clue have they?




Pete Thompson

  • Posts: 981
Re: Osha clean
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2018, 12:46:42 am »
I get so tired of idiots who know nothing about window cleaning but think they see an easy way to cash-in on what we are doing for nothing.

It's a shame they removed that cringeworthy YouTube video with the bloke from Osha grinning maniacally about how much money he was going to make and how his accountant was all excited.

They are trying to solve a problem for the benefit of householders and window cleaners. LOL!

The only problem they want to solve relates to their own bank balance.  The fact is, window cleaners do not need this service.

"you値l be your own boss and get paid for cleaning windows when you want to clean windows."
er, guess what, I already am and I already do.  I don't need you to continue to that.

"You値l get paid weekly for the jobs that you do, direct to your bank account. That means you won稚 have to go back round chasing cash payments."
Newsflash! NOBODY chases cash payments, and hasn't done for over a decade.  Customers already pay us 'direct to our bank account' no problem, and it doesn't need you for that to happen.  Many window cleaners even use direct debit, so they don't even need to wait for the customer to pay them.

"Because of our national advertising budget you値l get more interest from more customers in your area. You値l save time building your round and promoting your business. And you値l save time by taking online payments instead of collecting cash."

National advertising budget?  LOL! You had to get a loan from Virgin of between 」5k - 」10k just to keep going.  Now you're trying to raise money crowdfunding.  My guess is that you're realising just how expensive national advertising is.  I'd be really interested to know how much this national advertising budget is.  If you plan to make an impact nationally, then I hope it's in the 」millions, otherwise don't make me laugh.

Plus, you're assuming that we're all lacking interest "from customers in our area".  Basic question; why do you think you found it hard to get a window cleaner in the first place (the reason you started this ridiculous idea)?  Here's the answer: there are loads of customers and not that many window cleaners.  The result of that simple fact is that customers find it hard to get a good window cleaner, and no middle-man is ever going to change that.  This also means that no window cleaner is every going to need a middle-man to get customers.

I hope this pointless service, that was created for the sole reason of providing an income for Louise and Mark Stevenson, soon goes the way of other pointless services and dissappears into oblivion.

My advice to Osha if they're reading this is (and is meant with your best interests at heart) give up on this idea, and stop borrowing money/ trying to raise funds for what is (and always will be) a flawed idea.  Window cleaners do not need this service, no matter how you try to present it.  If you continue to borrow to try to get this idea of the ground, then bankruptcy awaits you in the near future.

tlwcs

  • Posts: 2162
Re: Osha clean
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2018, 06:42:21 am »
I get so tired of idiots who know nothing about window cleaning but think they see an easy way to cash-in on what we are doing for nothing.

It's a shame they removed that cringeworthy YouTube video with the bloke from Osha grinning maniacally about how much money he was going to make and how his accountant was all excited.

They are trying to solve a problem for the benefit of householders and window cleaners. LOL!

The only problem they want to solve relates to their own bank balance.  The fact is, window cleaners do not need this service.

"you値l be your own boss and get paid for cleaning windows when you want to clean windows."
er, guess what, I already am and I already do.  I don't need you to continue to that.

"You値l get paid weekly for the jobs that you do, direct to your bank account. That means you won稚 have to go back round chasing cash payments."
Newsflash! NOBODY chases cash payments, and hasn't done for over a decade.  Customers already pay us 'direct to our bank account' no problem, and it doesn't need you for that to happen.  Many window cleaners even use direct debit, so they don't even need to wait for the customer to pay them.

"Because of our national advertising budget you値l get more interest from more customers in your area. You値l save time building your round and promoting your business. And you値l save time by taking online payments instead of collecting cash."

National advertising budget?  LOL! You had to get a loan from Virgin of between 」5k - 」10k just to keep going.  Now you're trying to raise money crowdfunding.  My guess is that you're realising just how expensive national advertising is.  I'd be really interested to know how much this national advertising budget is.  If you plan to make an impact nationally, then I hope it's in the 」millions, otherwise don't make me laugh.

Plus, you're assuming that we're all lacking interest "from customers in our area".  Basic question; why do you think you found it hard to get a window cleaner in the first place (the reason you started this ridiculous idea)?  Here's the answer: there are loads of customers and not that many window cleaners.  The result of that simple fact is that customers find it hard to get a good window cleaner, and no middle-man is ever going to change that.  This also means that no window cleaner is every going to need a middle-man to get customers.

I hope this pointless service, that was created for the sole reason of providing an income for Louise and Mark Stevenson, soon goes the way of other pointless services and dissappears into oblivion.

My advice to Osha if they're reading this is (and is meant with your best interests at heart) give up on this idea, and stop borrowing money/ trying to raise funds for what is (and always will be) a flawed idea.  Window cleaners do not need this service, no matter how you try to present it.  If you continue to borrow to try to get this idea of the ground, then bankruptcy awaits you in the near future.

Good post Pete. Personally I'd like to see them bankrupt. Bloody idiots.
Tony

Marc Stock

Re: Osha clean
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2018, 08:16:31 am »
100 %  concour.

Osha Clean. Go back to estate agency work...oh hang on they are all going out of business now aswell due to purple bricks and the like.

 ::)roll

The Jester of Wibbly

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Re: Osha clean
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2018, 02:03:11 pm »
Makes you laugh.... They said they could not find a window cleaner so that's why they set up.   So they are experts at not finding a wc for themselves yet claim they can easily find one for others! 

May have worked 20 years ago but with the internet, fb, saturated industry it's easy for customers to find one. 
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֍WinpョoClean֍

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Re: Osha clean
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2018, 02:27:53 pm »
If ever there was an industry that didn't require a middle-man it's this one!! ;D
Comfortably Numb!

Soupy

  • Posts: 21263
Re: Osha clean
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2018, 03:19:59 pm »
I think we should count ourselves lucky that there is someone out there with the marketing nouse, willing to organise us fick, clueless shiners with their national advertising budget, card reader and (get this) bank account!

However did we manage before?
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Splash & dash

  • Posts: 4364
Re: Osha clean
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2018, 03:56:37 pm »
I get so tired of idiots who know nothing about window cleaning but think they see an easy way to cash-in on what we are doing for nothing.

It's a shame they removed that cringeworthy YouTube video with the bloke from Osha grinning maniacally about how much money he was going to make and how his accountant was all excited.

They are trying to solve a problem for the benefit of householders and window cleaners. LOL!

The only problem they want to solve relates to their own bank balance.  The fact is, window cleaners do not need this service.

"you値l be your own boss and get paid for cleaning windows when you want to clean windows."
er, guess what, I already am and I already do.  I don't need you to continue to that.

"You値l get paid weekly for the jobs that you do, direct to your bank account. That means you won稚 have to go back round chasing cash payments."
Newsflash! NOBODY chases cash payments, and hasn't done for over a decade.  Customers already pay us 'direct to our bank account' no problem, and it doesn't need you for that to happen.  Many window cleaners even use direct debit, so they don't even need to wait for the customer to pay them.

"Because of our national advertising budget you値l get more interest from more customers in your area. You値l save time building your round and promoting your business. And you値l save time by taking online payments instead of collecting cash."

National advertising budget?  LOL! You had to get a loan from Virgin of between 」5k - 」10k just to keep going.  Now you're trying to raise money crowdfunding.  My guess is that you're realising just how expensive national advertising is.  I'd be really interested to know how much this national advertising budget is.  If you plan to make an impact nationally, then I hope it's in the 」millions, otherwise don't make me laugh.

Plus, you're assuming that we're all lacking interest "from customers in our area".  Basic question; why do you think you found it hard to get a window cleaner in the first place (the reason you started this ridiculous idea)?  Here's the answer: there are loads of customers and not that many window cleaners.  The result of that simple fact is that customers find it hard to get a good window cleaner, and no middle-man is ever going to change that.  This also means that no window cleaner is every going to need a middle-man to get customers.

I hope this pointless service, that was created for the sole reason of providing an income for Louise and Mark Stevenson, soon goes the way of other pointless services and dissappears into oblivion.

My advice to Osha if they're reading this is (and is meant with your best interests at heart) give up on this idea, and stop borrowing money/ trying to raise funds for what is (and always will be) a flawed idea.  Window cleaners do not need this service, no matter how you try to present it.  If you continue to borrow to try to get this idea of the ground, then bankruptcy awaits you in the near future.








Exelent summary I couldn稚 agree more very well written and put in a friendly manner

Cookie

  • Posts: 928
Re: Osha clean
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2018, 04:56:15 pm »
Just to put a different spin on this .....

  • They're persistent
  • They've added the option of regular cleans (which they didn't have before). So they must be listening ...
  • They seem to have some window cleaners on board - so to a certain extent this must be working for them
  • They're paying for advertising on this forum so it keeps the forum going

I just put in some details for a 3 bed semi in Cardiff one-off clean & it comes up as 」24.34. Not particularly good but not particularly bad either.

If I were starting out & I didn't like canvassing (actually I really enjoy canvassing) or if I was looking to take on some employees/franchisees I might just give them a go.  Since I'm a sole trader & I have a full round they are absolutely no threat to me & I won't be using them.

Soupy

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Re: Osha clean
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2018, 05:29:36 pm »
I just put in some details for a 3 bed semi in Cardiff one-off clean & it comes up as 」24.34. Not particularly good but not particularly bad either.

If I were starting out & I didn't like canvassing (actually I really enjoy canvassing) or if I was looking to take on some employees/franchisees I might just give them a go.  Since I'm a sole trader & I have a full round they are absolutely no threat to me & I won't be using them.

What's their cut?
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Johnny B

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Re: Osha clean
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2018, 06:23:23 pm »
」24.34?

John
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Soupy

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Re: Osha clean
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2018, 06:35:09 pm »
」24.34 for a 1off seems incredibly low to me. Our 1offs start at around 」25 and that's if we're in the street anyway and ahead of schedule.

」24.34 - their (as yet undetermined) cut, + working to a third parties schedule = no thank you. I'm out.
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Johnny B

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Re: Osha clean
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2018, 06:47:37 pm »
So if a job becomes a regular, do they take a cut for each subsequent clean, or is it just the first clean?

And what percentage do they take? Just curious (I would never, ever use a third party to procure work).

John
Being diplomatic is being able to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.