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The Paradise Papers
« on: November 06, 2017, 10:16:35 pm »
Just watched Panorama and was surprised to learn that the main player is one of my customers!!!!! :o ;D If I had known I would have stuck another 100 quid on!
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Phil J

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 09:20:55 pm »
Louis Hamilton  ;)

slap bash

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2017, 01:25:51 pm »
The government has the cheek to expect us working class to pay our tax while the rich don`t. And when the rich banks collapse we must bail them out.Even the cabinet ministers in parliament don`t pay on money earned in our country. It`s offshore, it's legal they say. |But moral it`s not as we can not do the same. Most y rich person is involved. The financial investment advisers help them screw us.

Soupy

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2017, 01:57:09 pm »
The most pointless 'scandal' ever. None of these people have done anything wrong. Naming them is pointless.

Name the charlatans within the government and HMRC who have allowed these loopholes to exist and in many cases advised the rich how to exploit them.
Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it - George Orwell

Shrek

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2017, 02:15:13 pm »
The most pointless 'scandal' ever.

None of these people have done anything wrong. Naming them is pointless. Name the charlatans within the government and HMRC who have allowed these loopholes to exist and in many cases advised the rich how to exploit them.

Exactly- the rich have been using legal ways to pay less tax . If it’s legal then good for them, I’d do the same if I was super rich too .... and one day I will be  ;D

robert mitchell

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2017, 09:54:16 am »
They may be doing things to the letter of the law but not in the spirit of the law , its immoral failing to pay tax that they know they rightly owe .
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Missing Link

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2017, 10:09:58 am »
Name the charlatans within the government and HMRC who have allowed these loopholes to exist and in many cases advised the rich how to exploit them.

+1

Those loop holes don't get there by accident.
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PHILIP HARDY

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2017, 10:11:50 am »
These avoiders are taking money off every single one of us, The education and Health systems are ridiculessly underfunded compared with many of our international rivals, as for many years, we have put the persuit of money and profit, in front of the future, it now comes to the point where lives are being shortened and the next generation will not be educated well enough to find a solution, we have been failed by politicians for many ,many years.
The Stupid Neither Forgive Nor Forget
The Naive Forgive And Forget
The Wise Forgive But Don't Forget

Slacky

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2017, 10:43:31 am »
That’s all very true.

Soupy

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2017, 11:21:00 am »
These avoiders are taking money off every single one of us, The education and Health systems are ridiculessly underfunded compared with many of our international rivals, as for many years, we have put the persuit of money and profit, in front of the future, it now comes to the point where lives are being shortened and the next generation will not be educated well enough to find a solution, we have been failed by politicians for many ,many years.

Not the tax avoider's fault. They have broken no laws.

It's utterly ridiculous, the government is responsible for setting the laws, no one else, the blame lies entirely with them. If the government came out tomorrow and said 'if you clean windows you don't have to pay any tax', every single one of us would stop paying tax, regardless if we consider it morally correct or not.
Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it - George Orwell

robert mitchell

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2017, 11:43:42 am »
These avoiders are taking money off every single one of us, The education and Health systems are ridiculessly underfunded compared with many of our international rivals, as for many years, we have put the persuit of money and profit, in front of the future, it now comes to the point where lives are being shortened and the next generation will not be educated well enough to find a solution, we have been failed by politicians for many ,many years.

Not the tax avoider's fault. They have broken no laws.

It's utterly ridiculous, the government is responsible for setting the laws, no one else, the blame lies entirely with them. If the government came out tomorrow and said 'if you clean windows you don't have to pay any tax', every single one of us would stop paying tax, regardless if we consider it morally correct or not.

It’s still their fault , you close one loophole then another one is found .

Louis Hamilton’s private jet is a prime example , using shell companies where one of his  company’s buys the jet , they lease it to another shell company who then lease it to Hamilton, he knows he is cheating the system .
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Dry Clean

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2017, 11:53:46 am »
I'm just thankful my name wasn't mentioned, luckily enough the Queen God bless her took the flak away from me.

Soupy

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2017, 09:46:14 pm »
These avoiders are taking money off every single one of us, The education and Health systems are ridiculessly underfunded compared with many of our international rivals, as for many years, we have put the persuit of money and profit, in front of the future, it now comes to the point where lives are being shortened and the next generation will not be educated well enough to find a solution, we have been failed by politicians for many ,many years.

Not the tax avoider's fault. They have broken no laws.

It's utterly ridiculous, the government is responsible for setting the laws, no one else, the blame lies entirely with them. If the government came out tomorrow and said 'if you clean windows you don't have to pay any tax', every single one of us would stop paying tax, regardless if we consider it morally correct or not.

It’s still their fault , you close one loophole then another one is found .

Louis Hamilton’s private jet is a prime example , using shell companies where one of his  company’s buys the jet , they lease it to another shell company who then lease it to Hamilton, he knows he is cheating the system .

Don't be daft, he'll have no idea, same as most of these people. The schemes are set up by accountants, usually former HMRC employees, and are really complicated.

Hamilton will have been asked, do you want to avoid £xxMillion in tax. Asked that question there is only one reply that, if you're honest, you'd give: Is it legal?
Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it - George Orwell

tony day

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2017, 11:08:22 pm »
The government has the cheek to expect us working class to pay our tax while the rich don`t. And when the rich banks collapse we must bail them out.Even the cabinet ministers in parliament don`t pay on money earned in our country. It`s offshore, it's legal they say. |But moral it`s not as we can not do the same. Most y rich person is involved. The financial investment advisers help them screw us.
Your very profound ent ya!

Soupy

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2017, 11:13:45 pm »
It's like leaving the stable door open and blaming the horse for running away.
Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it - George Orwell

Soupy

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2017, 07:31:36 am »
It’s still their fault , you close one loophole then another one is found .

It's only difficult because they make it difficult.

The media can report tax avoiders all day long and we can all be outraged and repulsed at their lack of moral fibre, but it achieves nothing. Do you think we're going to shame them into paying tax they are not legally required to pay? Seems unlikely to me, one or two, maybe, but then what's that? A tax on morals? To me, that seems worse.

The problem is systemic. Until the government sort the system and make it fair, people with the resources and opportunity to exploit it, will exploit it.
Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it - George Orwell

Steve Newres

Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2017, 08:16:21 am »
The most pointless 'scandal' ever. None of these people have done anything wrong. Naming them is pointless.

Name the charlatans within the government and HMRC who have allowed these loopholes to exist and in many cases advised the rich how to exploit them.
Almost totally agree. We all act in the most tax efficient means we can. We share our tax benefits with partners, we go limited and pay dividends, pension contributions etc.  The difference here is that those that make the laws seem to do so in a way that benefits big business and often the friends of the law makers. So it is a "cozy"  arrangement. Then they demonise the single mum that can barely feed her children.

Soupy

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2017, 11:04:08 am »
David Mitchell puts it better than me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmR5aun7WqY

A bit sweary...
Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it - George Orwell

Missing Link

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2017, 10:54:33 pm »
Hamilton will have been asked, do you want to avoid £xxMillion in tax. Asked that question there is only one reply that, if you're honest, you'd give: Is it legal?

Apparently not; he signed saying it was being used for business purposes only and then took it on holiday to Hawaii.

HMRC is investigating him according to Question Time.
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robert mitchell

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Re: The Paradise Papers
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2017, 11:24:02 pm »
Hamilton will have been asked, do you want to avoid £xxMillion in tax. Asked that question there is only one reply that, if you're honest, you'd give: Is it legal?

Apparently not; he signed saying it was being used for business purposes only and then took it on holiday to Hawaii.

HMRC is investigating him according to Question Time.

They showed the form on the program , he put i think it was an 85/15 split on business /private use .......usage is more like the other way round but even if his split was correct he should still have payed vat on 15% of the purchase price but payed nothing .
www.ishinewindowcleaning.co.uk

The man who never made a mistake never made anything.