[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

Cannot be doing with my current set-up of 100mtr of 13(od) reel hose and a rectus with tap leading on to my pole.

The damn stuff keeps kinking up and generaly being a pain in the butt, the pole hose is the worst, its new gardiners yellow one the most expensive they had. Thought it may be less problematic.

Anyways lm thinking of going all reel hose off reel through pole too, or all pole hose through both? And just having a small tap at the end of the pole before the brush and doing away with the rectus.

I have a univalve inside the pole.

Anyone else had this problem?

Anyone else have just 1 type of hose off reel and through pole?

Which is better, all reel hose or all pole hose?

Many thanks

I thought you asked this the other day ?
If not my mistake 
I run 100 m of Gardiner green PU on the reel , this also goes up the pole via DIY tubeless , it lays out just fine , you need to keep an eye on it when you first get it , but it soon settles down , you may need to pull the whole lot out at the end of the day and run a wet rag down it a few times to get the twists of the day back out , if you do this its just dandy .
I also see that you have a tap on the end of your reel hose , why if you have Univalve ?
I have taken a few pics of what i do , if you convert just make sure to make the hole in the pole butt cap a bit bigger to let the rectus through easier !

this is how we run , but with out the tape and use 6ml hose instead of pole hose ,

[richard groves]

Just spent the day rigging the new eletric reel with 100 meters of Exceed 'All weather Blue'...... who would have thought new hose would be so 'twisty-turny'  must have ran the hose out 12 times or more to get the hose 'straight'..... nice day off this was!

Have for many, many years used micro-bore as per the pic (yellow) hose and its bullet proof think that hose is at least 7 years old possibly older cannot remember and always just used whatever pole hose Gardiners have put on their poles when I buy them....

Will be going 'tubeless' when van is refitted.

Cannot answer your question yet about which hose is better i.e s singular size or 'mix n match' but I'll tell you in a few weeks but yeah I understand your frustration.

i think you might end up regretting that move dave.i have the exceed blue hose(as pole hose)but it does twist and kink quite a bit at times.i can see it being a nightmare with 100m on a reel.i use standard microbore and it very rarely kinks.

Yeah Dave I'd second what Daz says . I've recently changed 15 meters of the blue exceed for Gardiners green pu for the same reason - exceeds is definitely tough stuff but had too much memory and at times could be a real bother and get tangled up. After a couple of weeks now with the green stuff I'm impressed - lays out flat, very light but more manageable. I have it on the end of a reel of reinforced pole hose with tubeless but when it needs replacing I'm gonna do as P@F has done - its really easy to work with unlike the exceed.

[paul alan]

Sometimes l have to pull hard on the hose to getvto the back of house etc, l try to imagine what the thinner hose woukd be like when l do this? Wouldnt snap would it ?

[Dave Anderson]

I remember a good 5 or 6 years ago poss more I did once suggest 'why don't we use pole hose' for everything and the idea being dismissed point blank by suppliers and users here for many reasons including lack of flow/pressure, pump damage and other possible reasons. I took that advice but looking back should have at least 'tried'.

Even micro & minibore can be a real PITA when new...hey look at the first slx poles.... wow the wear rate on those was quick compared to the awesome product it is now. Even the 27ft glass-fibre poles with Vikan truck washing brushes (see pic) were the 'cats whiskers' once...if only we knew then what we know now 

Which is why this forum is great.... You make suggestions, try things, take someones 'try' modify it to work for you or not..... You may well be right about the 100meters but the one thing we all know here is taking others peoples word here as fact can sometimes be an error.... I like to fettle...so this'll add a little spice to the hum-drum and hey like others have said if the 'Blue' doesn't workout....hey I have a shed of pole hose and will throw the 'Yellow Peril' back on the reel. 

[M & C Window Cleaning]

Sometimes l have to pull hard on the hose to getvto the back of house etc, l try to imagine what the thinner hose woukd be like when l do this? Wouldnt snap would it ?

Unlike PVC hose, PU hose is extremely tough stuff.  Very hard to cut if you aren't using razor sharp tools.  It's also very light compared to braided hose which makes it easier to pull along.  However, due to this I won't lay it over a road, though some do I believe.

[Dave Anderson]

Had one of those super expensive robot lawn mowers run-overthe 'Blue' yesterday....wrapped it up very well around the cutting blade... Exceed Blue was fine, mower got a good kick'n

[dazmond]

I remember a good 5 or 6 years ago poss more I did once suggest 'why don't we use pole hose' for everything and the idea being dismissed point blank by suppliers and users here for many reasons including lack of flow/pressure, pump damage and other possible reasons. I took that advice but looking back should have at least 'tried'.

Even micro & minibore can be a real PITA when new...hey look at the first slx poles.... wow the wear rate on those was quick compared to the awesome product it is now. Even the 27ft glass-fibre poles with Vikan truck washing brushes (see pic) were the 'cats whiskers' once...if only we knew then what we know now 

Which is why this forum is great.... You make suggestions, try things, take someones 'try' modify it to work for you or not..... You may well be right about the 100meters but the one thing we all know here is taking others peoples word here as fact can sometimes be an error.... I like to fettle...so this'll add a little spice to the hum-drum and hey like others have said if the 'Blue' doesn't workout....hey I have a shed of pole hose and will throw the 'Yellow Peril' back on the reel. 

im done with faffing about now dave.i cant be bothered messing about.a simple system is king for me.

new van,500L tank and frame,quality fixed reel and 100m microbore,pumpbox,backpack and carbon poles with univalve.

thats it

NO baffle balls,no immersion heater,no electric reel,no solar panels on van roof,no bilge pump for filling backpack etc.

plus all my gear(including tank and frame)can be removed very easily as its bolted down with angle iron to the eyelet holes.(as ill be getting a brand new van every 5 years now).

good,simple ,tried and tested equipment.

image is very important to me now(as in nice signwritten van and quality logod workwear).i think it helps with commanding higher prices plus i work some very affluent areas.it helps me stand out and comes across as being more professional.

[Dry Clean]

Totally agree Dazmond and don't forget the tubeless poles that aren't actually tubeless. lol.

[P @ F]

As just said above , the only thing you may have to watch with the green is going across roads , i used to lay the micro anywhere to do the job , with the green its that light that it could get kicked up the wheels , not so much at slow speed , but on main roads and places where idiots push the limit , we all know the places !
I have adapted to this and park more suitably , ok i may do a couple more moves each day now , but its a small price to pay for easy hose managment  alone !
 

[H MAN]

Try this!!
JUST RUN HOT WATER THROUGH HOSE LIKE IN THIS VIDEO.
https://youtu.be/UJTiEyXUza8   

[tlwcs]

Dazmond >>> I did get 65ft of the Blue Exceed hose to try out and used that on my slx 25.... and to be honest its been pretty good. There are a few peeps on this thread that have been using much longer lenght of the Exceed Blue so it'll be intresting to see how 100 meters plays out when the temps start dropping in a few months.... 

If needs be I can always throw the yellow peril (Cleantech when it was operating) back on if need be..

Hi Dave, Dazmond types some dribble at times, he hasn't tried it so doesn't know.
The biggest trouble I've had with the exceed blue is the continuity of what Steve supplies. First lot when he launched it was superb, I used 30 metres with the tubeless conversion, so good I bought 100m to replace the mini bore and to lose the joint. The 100 metres he sent was junk, just crap. He did replace it foc with what Ive used now for 14 months.
Its like everything else in this game, it trail and error.
Tony

[Dave Anderson]

This was today and the new Exceed blue acts just like the years old 'Cleantech' yellow peril....  No real issues today with hoses and I do love the lightness of the blue you can just flick it about nice and easy.... But lets face it no hose is going to stop wrapping itself around any snag point be it a wheelie bin or between the tiniest of tiny spaces in brickwork

We all bang on about Gardiners Green and Exceed Blue but are they really made just for them or are the hoses just off the shelf products from some supplier somewhere? I doubt there is some top secret wfp window cleaners testing facility working on better and better grades of hose with 'kinkability level 3 abilties'

I think there is a moral to the 'stories' on here.... when in doubt, try it for yourself and lets not forget we pump water via a reel (see pic) through a hose then through a brush and scrubba-dub-dub not debugging particle physics theories on the Large Hadron Collider.

Keeping it simple, no sign-writing, no logo uniforms, DIY fettled franken-system....  and the houses in this picture were all 1 million + euro houses.... didn't seem to make much difference as it doesn't to the average joe-bloe house dwellers like my own . 1 euro is 1 euro regardless of who I get it from. I think that sometimes we get above ourselves we are cleaners thats it, business owners but we clean.

[paul alan]

I got the same with the reinforced , i reckon you do like i do , without knowing it you spin the pole over and over whilst its in your hands , this sort of doubles the hose on itself and then it twist again , like a FLUMP sweet 

The other issue you might have is over pressure , you say you dont run controller , its not deadending , just banging right up to 100psi or above when you shut off , this i have found is a sure way to get big kinks and twists in the reinforced , cos i bet its lovely for you when the water is flowing .......am i right 

I caught the wiry little bugger in the act today, hose was straight whilst in flow then l swithed off and saw it writhing like a snake with freshly caught prey.
Flow controller en route.