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Caleb Morley

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Van Security
« on: February 17, 2017, 04:35:17 pm »
So my old van hasn't turned up and I'm buying another Ford Transit (2011), picking it up Sunday week.

I want to upgrade the security on it. Trying to work out what is worth doing and what isn't is proving quite a job.

Anyone got any advice?

Also any recommendations on companies to use to do all the installing?

Thanks,

Caleb

Don Kee

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2017, 04:41:03 pm »

duncan h

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2017, 05:13:08 pm »
I havnt done anything to my mk7.
You need to disconnect the obd port. Some people put a live feed to blow the unit they plug in.
Get a quality alarm fitted. Wont stop them though. Friend had best alarm. They drilled hole above the rear lock. Popped door open and got his gear out in seconds. They don't care if people are about

Tosh

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2017, 06:32:56 pm »
Okay  I've hear mention of an OBD port on here a few times. Can someone tell me what the OBD port is please.
*A HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE - THE SHORT STORY* 'Hydrogen is a light, odorless gas, which, given enough time, turns into people.'

Don Kee

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2017, 06:46:26 pm »
On Board Dianostics port

Its what dealers (ford in this case)/mechanics/theives use to plug in their devices and software to 'talk' to your vehicle

Theives will clone your key from drivers door or bonnet to unlock the van
They then plug their gadget into the OBD to code an immobiliser (all modern keys have immobilisers so that if someone tries to switch on an engine with an incorrect/unpaired immobiler the alarm goes crazy and engine wont start) to be able to drive off with your van with no alarms

In your custom, the OBD is where your right knee will be (ish) when sat down. Theres a piece of trim you can just pull and you'll see a plug

On mine, I've moved the OBD plug by unclipping it and a few wires, and then moving it; which will hopefully keep any potential theives looking for it long enough the alarm goes off (20secs I believe)

CleanClear

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2017, 09:57:46 pm »
So my old van hasn't turned up and I'm buying another Ford Transit (2011), picking it up Sunday week.

I want to upgrade the security on it. Trying to work out what is worth doing and what isn't is proving quite a job.

Anyone got any advice?

Also any recommendations on companies to use to do all the installing?

Thanks,

Caleb

You know, as good as modern technology is.. i'd go back to basics here. Its very simple to put a split in your live (ignition) to solenoid and insert a switch, either in the front grill or somewhere under the dash. Cost would be pennies, no technology will circumvent it. Finding the switch would of course, assuming someone knows there is one.............. #backtobasics
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Tosh

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2017, 12:09:03 am »
On Board Dianostics port

Its what dealers (ford in this case)/mechanics/theives use to plug in their devices and software to 'talk' to your vehicle

Theives will clone your key from drivers door or bonnet to unlock the van
They then plug their gadget into the OBD to code an immobiliser (all modern keys have immobilisers so that if someone tries to switch on an engine with an incorrect/unpaired immobiler the alarm goes crazy and engine wont start) to be able to drive off with your van with no alarms

In your custom, the OBD is where your right knee will be (ish) when sat down. Theres a piece of trim you can just pull and you'll see a plug

On mine, I've moved the OBD plug by unclipping it and a few wires, and then moving it; which will hopefully keep any potential theives looking for it long enough the alarm goes off (20secs I believe)

So, you mean you move the OBD so that it takes the thieves too long to be able to plug their software into it before the alarm goes off?
*A HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE - THE SHORT STORY* 'Hydrogen is a light, odorless gas, which, given enough time, turns into people.'

Stoots

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2017, 09:36:29 am »
This is an old school trick and I'm sure no modern day man would want to do this to their van plus it probably  wouldn't be possible with modern alarms, immobilisers etc.

But on old cars we used to put a kill switch behind the dash, simply wired up to the ignition live to break the circuit. The car was then unstealable by the method of screwdriver in the ignition or "black boxing" it (hotwiring)

But things were so much simpler then, when my ignition barrel broke on my old mk4 escorts I simply took off the plastic surround and bridges the connections with a screwdriver. Good days

Re: Van Security
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2017, 10:47:32 am »
I'd just been thinking the same thing whilst reading this - " kill switch "
so many options and places you could fit one that only you would know, simple and cheap too.

duncan h

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2017, 06:41:42 pm »
Yes a kill switch. But not on the ignition switch, as they bypass it.
Go to an alarm fitters and ask for advice

s.w.c

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2017, 06:47:11 pm »
old fashion kill switch is hard to beat, just get spare instrument button like fog etc and wire kill switch to it, as good thief would look for hidden kill switch near ignition but wouldn't think it's wired to instrument button,

Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2017, 11:09:34 am »
On Board Dianostics port

Its what dealers (ford in this case)/mechanics/theives use to plug in their devices and software to 'talk' to your vehicle

Theives will clone your key from drivers door or bonnet to unlock the van
They then plug their gadget into the OBD to code an immobiliser (all modern keys have immobilisers so that if someone tries to switch on an engine with an incorrect/unpaired immobiler the alarm goes crazy and engine wont start) to be able to drive off with your van with no alarms

In your custom, the OBD is where your right knee will be (ish) when sat down. Theres a piece of trim you can just pull and you'll see a plug

On mine, I've moved the OBD plug by unclipping it and a few wires, and then moving it; which will hopefully keep any potential theives looking for it long enough the alarm goes off (20secs I believe)

clone ?? where have you been , they just order the ford skelton keys off amison for 30 pounds lol

Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2017, 11:15:14 am »
I'd just been thinking the same thing whilst reading this - " kill switch "
so many options and places you could fit one that only you would know, simple and cheap too.

kill swich can be got round , on the ford fourm they say they also can start the vans using the lab top battery as it only needs to power us a very small part of the ele system

so as a biker myself I say fit a good old fashioned fuel tap once its used up the fuel in the lines it will never start again , most twcoers will try and start it again but only for a few time then they will just leave it and run off , baring in mind the vans just died in the middle of the road or at a set of lights

Tosh

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2017, 12:28:47 pm »
A good old fashioned fuel tap can be got round.
*A HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE - THE SHORT STORY* 'Hydrogen is a light, odorless gas, which, given enough time, turns into people.'

Don Kee

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2017, 01:00:38 pm »
On Board Dianostics port

Its what dealers (ford in this case)/mechanics/theives use to plug in their devices and software to 'talk' to your vehicle

Theives will clone your key from drivers door or bonnet to unlock the van
They then plug their gadget into the OBD to code an immobiliser (all modern keys have immobilisers so that if someone tries to switch on an engine with an incorrect/unpaired immobiler the alarm goes crazy and engine wont start) to be able to drive off with your van with no alarms

In your custom, the OBD is where your right knee will be (ish) when sat down. Theres a piece of trim you can just pull and you'll see a plug

On mine, I've moved the OBD plug by unclipping it and a few wires, and then moving it; which will hopefully keep any potential theives looking for it long enough the alarm goes off (20secs I believe)

clone ?? where have you been , they just order the ford skelton keys off amison for 30 pounds lol

I see you've read a couple of posts on the transit forum and are now acting all knowledgable...lol

It dont matter how they get a key, they still need the OBD, where've you been?
(Whats 'amison'?)


OP, stick a hykee lock on your door. Harder to pick and so then (as bad as it sounds) hopefully the ar5eholes will move on to an easier van



Don Kee

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2017, 01:02:01 pm »
On Board Dianostics port

Its what dealers (ford in this case)/mechanics/theives use to plug in their devices and software to 'talk' to your vehicle

Theives will clone your key from drivers door or bonnet to unlock the van
They then plug their gadget into the OBD to code an immobiliser (all modern keys have immobilisers so that if someone tries to switch on an engine with an incorrect/unpaired immobiler the alarm goes crazy and engine wont start) to be able to drive off with your van with no alarms

In your custom, the OBD is where your right knee will be (ish) when sat down. Theres a piece of trim you can just pull and you'll see a plug

On mine, I've moved the OBD plug by unclipping it and a few wires, and then moving it; which will hopefully keep any potential theives looking for it long enough the alarm goes off (20secs I believe)

So, you mean you move the OBD so that it takes the thieves too long to be able to plug their software into it before the alarm goes off?

That's the idea mate

Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2017, 01:14:47 pm »
On Board Dianostics port

Its what dealers (ford in this case)/mechanics/theives use to plug in their devices and software to 'talk' to your vehicle

Theives will clone your key from drivers door or bonnet to unlock the van
They then plug their gadget into the OBD to code an immobiliser (all modern keys have immobilisers so that if someone tries to switch on an engine with an incorrect/unpaired immobiler the alarm goes crazy and engine wont start) to be able to drive off with your van with no alarms

In your custom, the OBD is where your right knee will be (ish) when sat down. Theres a piece of trim you can just pull and you'll see a plug

On mine, I've moved the OBD plug by unclipping it and a few wires, and then moving it; which will hopefully keep any potential theives looking for it long enough the alarm goes off (20secs I believe)

clone ?? where have you been , they just order the ford skelton keys off amison for 30 pounds lol

I see you've read a couple of posts on the transit forum and are now acting all knowledgable...lol

It dont matter how they get a key, they still need the OBD, where've you been?
(Whats 'amison'?)


OP, stick a hykee lock on your door. Harder to pick and so then (as bad as it sounds) hopefully the ar5eholes will move on to an easier van
being married to a travler I don't need to read fourms i can ring the family and get first hand info on how to keep vans safe at night

Tosh

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2017, 01:48:42 pm »
Why would a traveller know more about stealing other peoples belongings and breaking into their vehicles to steal them than someone on a cleaning forum?
*A HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE - THE SHORT STORY* 'Hydrogen is a light, odorless gas, which, given enough time, turns into people.'

CleanClear

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2017, 05:05:26 pm »

kill swich can be got round , on the ford fourm they say they also can start the vans using the lab top battery as it only needs to power us a very small part of the ele system


Sure it can, they'll have to pop the bonnet, get their tester or multimeter out to find where you have put a break, then temporary wire it to....... a lap top battery you reckon?..... pooffff! gone in 60 seconds !!!   ;D

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nathankaye

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Re: Van Security
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2017, 08:08:54 pm »
It bit of a faff, but just remove a spark plug each night??

Or do a classic from mr bean (for those who can remember) just take the steering wheel of 😂😂
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