[G Griffin]

Do most of you guys live in the u.k or the arctic?

Never had wfp freeze on me whilst working, and as long as there is a heater in the van overnight it doesnt freeze then either.

I dont have a bulkhead in my van which probably does help a great deal in keeping everything warm during the day

All week here up to until about 10am the water has been freezing on the windows.
Last night was -8, daytime temp high today was 4c but took until 2pm to reach that. Now 4.30pm and temperature is 1c.
I'm in Aldershot but certainly feels like the Arctic at the moment.

I'm only in Newbury and we haven't lost any time at all. Cold water too. Bit of freezing on the odd conservatory but not on houses.

Jammy so-and-so.
You must be working with a subzero tds reading.

[8weekly]

Do most of you guys live in the u.k or the arctic?

Never had wfp freeze on me whilst working, and as long as there is a heater in the van overnight it doesnt freeze then either.

I dont have a bulkhead in my van which probably does help a great deal in keeping everything warm during the day

All week here up to until about 10am the water has been freezing on the windows.
Last night was -8, daytime temp high today was 4c but took until 2pm to reach that. Now 4.30pm and temperature is 1c.
I'm in Aldershot but certainly feels like the Arctic at the moment.

I'm only in Newbury and we haven't lost any time at all. Cold water too. Bit of freezing on the odd conservatory but not on houses.

Jammy so-and-so.
You must be working with a subzero tds reading.

Yes. Less than zero tds. No need for additives.

[Smurf]

It would be funny if one of your employees try's to sue you if he slips on the ice he just created himself.
I'm sure you've done it too....

2 days ago as a quick test  I threw a small glass of water on one of my paving slabs as the back garden don't get much sun until after midday.  It's still got ice on it today so just goes to show how long ice can hang about. 

Crazy innit.

If only there was some method of removing water from flat surfaces or defrosting ice.

Like maybe sweep any surface water away/vac it up and/or put salt down do you mean. 
I can't be arsed with all that malarky...  Do you then?

[Stoots]

I Just leave any water to freeze over and get back on my horse

[Soupy]

Floor squeegee and salt.

Mainly though, just don't wfp doors when it's cold.

Some jobs need to be done in adverse weather though. So long as you do everything reasonably practicable...

[martin hulstone]

My wife who used to be a manager at Aldi told me not to put salt grit down as you are admitting liability if there was an accident.

[Tosh]

You’re wife was a manager at Aldi, not a solicitor.

Not putting salt down is not acknowledging your responsibilities and is negligent.

[dazmond]

sometimes you ve gotta admit defeat.if the water freezes the instant it hits the ground its time to go home and either start later when the temperature rises slightly or have the whole day off.

as im still using a backpack and barrels.their frost free and ready to go.the main problem is the water freezing in the pole hose as i have 30m of it and its cold water.

luckily its +2 here so no problems and im tradding a lot more ground floor windows so no worries about leaving water around that could freeze overnight leaving ice patches.

i use ice melt grit occasionally (usually  for my older customers who have steep driveways as a kindly gesture)

[Dry Clean]

You’re wife was a manager at Aldi, not a solicitor.

Not putting salt down is not acknowledging your responsibilities and is negligent.

Are you a solicitor ?

[Ian101]

don't do a lot of residential these days but when I did I wouldn't work if it was zero or below.

on commercial nowadays it depends on the job -- if a large office block with 3 sides over say grass then no problem in any temp the other side that public use then wfp tops ... trad bottom ... brush standing water away and grit over any thing left

[martin hulstone]

You’re wife was a manager at Aldi, not a solicitor.

Not putting salt down is not acknowledging your responsibilities and is negligent.

So on that basis, last week i would had to salt grit around 3 miles of pathways and public pathways to be sure of no accidents and if somebody slipped  a couple of feet away it could be proved that i tried to grit that area .
Not practical really.

[martin hulstone]

She was not a solicitor, that is quite right, but as with all multi million pound retailers they are always updated with the latest legal responsibilities, yes they have to grit all ares of there store, but where informed that as soon as you do, you are admitting liability if you miss a patch and someone slips.
I could not possibly grit all areas where i leave water so i either leave it as it is, or work another day, or later in the day.

[Soupy]

If I slip and kill myself on ice within Aldi premesis I'll sue them, whether there was salt down or not. They have a duty of care to their customers.

[martin hulstone]

If I slip and kill myself on ice within Aldi premesis I'll sue them, whether there was salt down or not. They have a duty of care to their customers.

Suiing from the grave, that's a new one on me!

[Soupy]

If I slip and kill myself on ice within Aldi premesis I'll sue them, whether there was salt down or not. They have a duty of care to their customers.

Suiing from the grave, that's a new one on me!

Can't let a wee inconvenience like death get in the way of a blame claim!

[Soupy]

She was not a solicitor, that is quite right, but as with all multi million pound retailers they are always updated with the latest legal responsibilities, yes they have to grit all ares of there store, but where informed that as soon as you do, you are admitting liability if you miss a patch and someone slips.
I could not possibly grit all areas where i leave water so i either leave it as it is, or work another day, or later in the day.

Or grit the places most likely to be an issue?

[martin hulstone]

She was not a solicitor, that is quite right, but as with all multi million pound retailers they are always updated with the latest legal responsibilities, yes they have to grit all ares of there store, but where informed that as soon as you do, you are admitting liability if you miss a patch and someone slips.
I could not possibly grit all areas where i leave water so i either leave it as it is, or work another day, or later in the day.

Or grit the places most likely to be an issue?

So you would sue Aldi if you slipped anywhere on there premises , but you suggest just to grit areas as a window cleaner that are most likely to be an issue? do not know how that is possible. when i got home yeserday, the road and path was frozen from my van leaking water overnight, i did not see it in the dark in the morning.
Would i be liable if somebody slipped on it? 

[Soupy]

She was not a solicitor, that is quite right, but as with all multi million pound retailers they are always updated with the latest legal responsibilities, yes they have to grit all ares of there store, but where informed that as soon as you do, you are admitting liability if you miss a patch and someone slips.
I could not possibly grit all areas where i leave water so i either leave it as it is, or work another day, or later in the day.

Or grit the places most likely to be an issue?

So you would sue Aldi if you slipped anywhere on there premises , but you suggest just to grit areas as a window cleaner that are most likely to be an issue? do not know how that is possible. when i got home yeserday, the road and path was frozen from my van leaking water overnight, i did not see it in the dark in the morning.
Would i be liable if somebody slipped on it?

I suggested nowt. I asked a question.

Anyway, difficult to prove it was you leaking water but yes, I'd have thought so.

[Tosh]

You’re wife was a manager at Aldi, not a solicitor.

Not putting salt down is not acknowledging your responsibilities and is negligent.

Are you a solicitor ?

Why would I need to be a solicitor? Its common sense to minimise risk, thats what H&S is about, managing and minimising risk.

[Tosh]

You’re wife was a manager at Aldi, not a solicitor.

Not putting salt down is not acknowledging your responsibilities and is negligent.

So on that basis, last week i would had to salt grit around 3 miles of pathways and public pathways to be sure of no accidents and if somebody slipped  a couple of feet away it could be proved that i tried to grit that area .
Not practical really.

If you’d caused or created a risk as a result of your actions, then yes. If it’s impractical to do so its time to go home.