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NWH

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2017, 11:07:25 pm »
If I had to guess what was in it I'd say lube

M & C Window Cleaning

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2017, 12:13:46 am »
M and c windowcleaning exactly all these clames and it doesn't deliver , I totally agre 000 tds and hot water gives the best results , why do you need slip on the glass ? What does that accomplish ?  Use a nano coating if that's what you want
Why do you need hot water?
I have used cold water for years with good results?
Each to their own

You're right Duncan. I find that hot or cold, the finish is the same, but I can definitely achieve it quicker with hot. This time of year you have the added advantage that your equipment is warm which is great when you're starting out or working all day in sub zero temps. However, once the temps get back into double figures I switch back to cold.

CleanClear

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2017, 03:01:29 am »
It seems to have made some of my customers windows easier to rinse..

Like what you did there........i'm rinsing all of mine..best i can anyway before some one else comes along  ;D
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CleanClear

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2017, 03:08:03 am »

You're right Duncan. I find that hot or cold, the finish is the same, but I can definitely achieve it quicker with hot.

Hows that mate ? I give it one wipe cold. Can i do like half a wipe hot ? get me 50% quicker? I love stats.
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Splash & dash

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2017, 10:22:04 am »
I also used cold water for about 10 years , it will clean to similar quality but hot is quicker particularly on first cleans and Plastics etc  also makes life easier with flexible hose in the colder months but I accept it's not essential, however which car would you rather drive a ford pop or a modern car ??

Soupy

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2017, 10:32:35 am »
M and c windowcleaning exactly all these clames and it doesn't deliver , I totally agre 000 tds and hot water gives the best results , why do you need slip on the glass ? What does that accomplish ?  Use a nano coating if that's what you want
Why do you need hot water?
I have used cold water for years with good results?
Each to their own

Hot water is bound to be quicker. Go and try to clean your dishes with cold water, you can get them just as clean it just takes more time and effort.
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Tosh

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2017, 11:03:13 am »
According to the font of disagreement SeanK it doesn't.

He is Irish so Forgiveness is the word of the day.
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Dry Clean

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2017, 11:15:58 am »
M and c windowcleaning exactly all these clames and it doesn't deliver , I totally agre 000 tds and hot water gives the best results , why do you need slip on the glass ? What does that accomplish ?  Use a nano coating if that's what you want
Why do you need hot water?
I have used cold water for years with good results?
Each to their own

Hot water is bound to be quicker. Go and try to clean your dishes with cold water, you can get them just as clean it just takes more time and effort.

Depends on what your cleaning, there will be certain ingredients where hot might benefit but I would say the detergent would
be doing most of the work where dishes are concerned.
Put it this way cold water and Fairy would be better than hot water on its own, therefore why would Vision be anymore of a
placebo than hot water ?
It would certainly be a cheaper option.

Tosh

  • Posts: 2964
Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2017, 11:32:10 am »
That sounds like a SeanK wriggle Dry Clean. Remarkably so.
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duncan h

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2017, 12:05:13 pm »
We all know warm water is better, but it as a cost to it. Also carrying gas in the van.
Don't see many people using their cars and a backpack using warm :)
Its like washing a car with warm water or cold.
But windows on a service clean don't need it. they should just be a bit dusty. It will be ace on bird poo though

M & C Window Cleaning

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2017, 12:23:21 pm »
I heat it to about 40 degs as I transfer it to my barrels in the morning. As soon as I get up I start it going. Six barrels takes just under an hour using an L5 lpg heater. I have it all plumbed in and ready to go in a cabin in my garden that also houses my RO and storage tank. Just turn the gas on, put the hose in a barrel and turn on the pump. Once in my car and the boot is closed it's insulated so keeps it heat till I use it. I use a timer to make sure I don't waste water when the barrels are full

Splash & dash

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #51 on: January 21, 2017, 05:25:47 pm »
Dry clean I understand what you are saying but if you worked on the coast doing large hotels lagged in salt every six weeks you would soon change your mind , one job that we do used to take 3 full days with cold water , with hot it takes a day and a half as the hot water dissolves the salt so much quicker and the windows dry much faster making the customer more happy as there guests don't like wet windows !!! lol I certainly wouldn't want to go back to cold although it will do the same job but slower , I do admit it's expensive to run on diesel however that's offset by the fact that you can get more work done  in less time , I know that sounds a bit like an Ionic's advert  but we have found it to be true . Also being by the coast we get a lot of baked on seagull poo this is difficult to get off with hotvand virtually impossible with cold , if you are doing 4 weekly maintenance cleans it is less important to have hot but still makes you quicker and if you pick up a new job makes it far easier ,.

the king

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #52 on: January 21, 2017, 06:42:30 pm »
i also work on the south west coast hot is a must to be fair to get the best resaults there is so much bird crap and salt its a pain in the ars one day or night of easterly winds and  every thing is plasterd in salt , i find hot rips the salt off much quicker on some jobs im saving nearly 50 percent of water due to not having to go over and over the glass

NWH

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2017, 08:28:28 pm »
Hot water is far better overall imo,I would do without any additive but I wouldn't do without hot water to work with,cold can look like your doing the same job but I've done inside jobs after using cold water and the results are much better with hot,the higher you clean the hotter the water.

Dry Clean

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2017, 10:02:35 pm »
Dry clean I understand what you are saying but if you worked on the coast doing large hotels lagged in salt every six weeks you would soon change your mind , one job that we do used to take 3 full days with cold water , with hot it takes a day and a half as the hot water dissolves the salt so much quicker and the windows dry much faster making the customer more happy as there guests don't like wet windows !!! lol I certainly wouldn't want to go back to cold although it will do the same job but slower , I do admit it's expensive to run on diesel however that's offset by the fact that you can get more work done  in less time , I know that sounds a bit like an Ionic's advert  but we have found it to be true . Also being by the coast we get a lot of baked on seagull poo this is difficult to get off with hotvand virtually impossible with cold , if you are doing 4 weekly maintenance cleans it is less important to have hot but still makes you quicker and if you pick up a new job makes it far easier ,.


Sorry South west, I'm not saying hot water doesn't help because in your situation it certainly does, I'm just saying a
additive may also help if in the same situation.
I'm not for or against either as Iv never had the need to use anything other than cold pure.


tlwcs

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2017, 10:15:37 pm »
I'm surprised kempy hasn't been on to defend or give an explanation of why it happens.
Must be just s41t then.

the king

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2017, 08:43:50 am »
ive tryed spraying tfr ubik ect on the brush wich helps but ive also used vision and car screen wash in my tank  i found hot beats all of this on salty glass

Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2017, 09:41:59 am »
hotter the water the faster the molaules move as there smaller mining  it hits the glass faster and harder hence this is why the truck mount carpet cleaner work better then the smaller portable ones , hydromaster in the us spent millions researching why the hotter water worked better

NWH

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2017, 11:34:42 am »
Hot water has kept me working these last few weeks that in itself is enough of a reason to have hot water,I could have lost in earnings what it cost me in the first place. Like I've said before if my heater broke tomorrow I'd get another straight away due to Theo overall  clean being far quicker and the results being better,2 Window cleaners I know all knocked hot though even  that there vans have been parked up outside there homes over the last few weeks due to not being able to work.

DaveG

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Re: Vision Problems
« Reply #59 on: January 22, 2017, 11:41:55 am »
According to the font of disagreement SeanK

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