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davids3511

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Re: Entrepreneur or Can't find anything else to do?
« Reply #100 on: October 22, 2016, 08:14:18 pm »
I find it difficult to believe those figures. How many of those self employed are actually declaring their full earnings. I know a couple of guys in other trades who only declare the absolute bare minimum.
There are so many loopholes in the complicated tax system of ours that i bet a large percentage of self employed are 'legally' paying very little tax.

Dazmond explained it well, large companies are now employing people under the guise of them being self employed and
getting away with paying less than the minimum wage, plus not paying pensions, holiday pay and other legal employment requirements.
Its a bit like employing  somebody to clean windows under the guise of a franchise, that person isn't self employed he works
for the franchiser but for tax purposes he will be classed as self employed.
Maybe that's how your franchise would work but not how mine work. They are nothing like employees.

They work for your company under your company name and rules, just because you have given them a bit more responsibility
doesn't make them any less an employee, they're certainly not self employed.
Instead of pontificating about 'not self employed' tell me exactly why it is that makes them not self employed? They price up, take on customers, arrange their own schedule and holidays, collect their own payments, use their own van and equipment, remove bad customers without any recourse to me. Where does any of that suggest employee?

Yes and the manager of the company I used to work in which wasn't his did all that, it still didn't make him self employed. (roll eyes)
Like I though, big gob but no clue.

SeanK

Re: Entrepreneur or Can't find anything else to do? New
« Reply #101 on: October 22, 2016, 10:23:26 pm »
I find it difficult to believe those figures. How many of those self employed are actually declaring their full earnings. I know a couple of guys in other trades who only declare the absolute bare minimum.
There are so many loopholes in the complicated tax system of ours that i bet a large percentage of self employed are 'legally' paying very little tax.

Dazmond explained it well, large companies are now employing people under the guise of them being self employed and
getting away with paying less than the minimum wage, plus not paying pensions, holiday pay and other legal employment requirements.
Its a bit like employing  somebody to clean windows under the guise of a franchise, that person isn't self employed he works
for the franchiser but for tax purposes he will be classed as self employed.
Maybe that's how your franchise would work but not how mine work. They are nothing like employees.

They work for your company under your company name and rules, just because you have given them a bit more responsibility
doesn't make them any less an employee, they're certainly not self employed.
Instead of pontificating about 'not self employed' tell me exactly why it is that makes them not self employed? They price up, take on customers, arrange their own schedule and holidays, collect their own payments, use their own van and equipment, remove bad customers without any recourse to me. Where does any of that suggest employee?

Yes and the manager of the company I used to work in which wasn't his did all that, it still didn't make him self employed. (roll eyes)
Like I though, big gob but no clue.

Big enough clue to know when I'm working for myself or for somebody else, unlike the guys you employ sorry don't employ, lol,