[H MAN]

Who's next on your hit list then Herman? You've spent years trying to modify the waģtail, tried to fix the liqadator, had a stab at Gardiners and now Reach It.
Invent something of your own.

Just saying ......

Gardiners are unusual in that they (Alex) listens and adapts, re invents. He, could be a very poor business man for all I know - putting quality before profit. You'll have to ask his Mrs.
For Willy Wagtail it might be that you are the only person who thinks his product is crap, financially it probably makes no sense to redesign something that's selling well just because one guy in the Australian outback with arthritis doesn't like it. I don't have a problem with wagtails apart from the Glide which I think is a brilliant idea - just doesn't work that well for me.

So which Wagtails do you use??

[H MAN]

For Willy Wagtail it might be that you are the only person who thinks his product is crap.
Dave Willis: Remind me of the people that laughed and said exactly what you said.
When they seen that video which lead to the creation of the Quick-LoQ.
and relating to Wagtail they have the concept just have not implemented it properly.
In time there will be something better concept
You know one of those moments .
WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT

[Dave Willis]

Well done, move on we've heard it all before.

Herman, are you drinking? Your posts are getting harder to understand...
No, I don't think the Wagtail is crap. I said the Glide didn't work well for me.

[H MAN]

Well done, move on we've heard it all before.

That's exactly what they said as well.
Anyway have  a good day. 
Early start tomorrow.

[andyM]

It can't be easy these days bringing new product ideas and concepts to the market I would imagine?
I'm not unique and special enough to be able to dream up new inventions sadly.
But recently I became aware of something known in the US patent sector as Prior Art:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art
However a recent experience made me question the validity of certain individuals claims/intentions (in the USA) who use Prior Art as a way of leverage against somebody else applying for a patent.
Basically a guy in America had produced a couple of sketchup drawings of a flimsy cabinet with a Perspex front to sit over a wood cutting mitre saw to control dust being inhaled by the user. He then submitted the two sketchup designs to YouTube and spammed a couple of Forums about what he had done with links to his videos.
He had not actually proved to anyone (with photos or video) that he had produced a prototype of any kind.
So there was no data to show that  this cabinet could live up to his claims, it seemed purely theoretical.
A few people gave critique of the design and how impractical it was (which looked like something resurrected  from 30 years ago) to which the guy then replied that he was an engineer with a PHD and a Lawyer with his own Patent Office?
Then his next reply was that he will test it out one day and that he would be using his 3 forum posts as "Prior Art".     
So I'm just wondering if in the future if someone actually takes the time to design, test and produce something similar that is actually useable that this shark will challenge their patent in order to receive a payoff or a commission citing his Prior Art of the idea.
Just struck me that the whole episode has a bad taste about it.

[SeanK]

Probably, but the idea is nothing new, been out for years in other applications - I hate the thing too. Cleverest invention I thought was the Gardiners Swivel - so simple yet nobody came up with anything close.

The Gardiner Swivel is a great idea let down by the fact you need a screwdriver to tighten and loosen the mechanism.

[H MAN]

It can't be easy these days bringing new product ideas and concepts to the market I would imagine?
I'm not unique and special enough to be able to dream up new inventions sadly.
But recently I became aware of something known in the US patent sector as Prior Art:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art
However a recent experience made me question the validity of certain individuals claims/intentions (in the USA) who use Prior Art as a way of leverage against somebody else applying for a patent.
Basically a guy in America had produced a couple of sketchup drawings of a flimsy cabinet with a Perspex front to sit over a wood cutting mitre saw to control dust being inhaled by the user. He then submitted the two sketchup designs to YouTube and spammed a couple of Forums about what he had done with links to his videos.
He had not actually proved to anyone (with photos or video) that he had produced a prototype of any kind.
So there was no data to show that  this cabinet could live up to his claims, it seemed purely theoretical.
A few people gave critique of the design and how impractical it was (which looked like something resurrected  from 30 years ago) to which the guy then replied that he was an engineer with a PHD and a Lawyer with his own Patent Office?
Then his next reply was that he will test it out one day and that he would be using his 3 forum posts as "Prior Art".     
So I'm just wondering if in the future if someone actually takes the time to design, test and produce something similar that is actually useable that this shark will challenge their patent in order to receive a payoff or a commission citing his Prior Art of the idea.
Just struck me that the whole episode has a bad taste about it.

Very interesting reading in particular the underlined.
Regarding designing some thing similar not sure you mean look the same as it looks.
Or does the same action but use  different device.
Not looking like the original apparatus?
But works the same but better .
This then would be seen as a improvement to the original invention.
Found this it would be applicable?
 Anything not found in the prior art can be potentially patentable. Thomas Edison, for example, did not get a patent on the basic concept of the light bulb. It was already patented and therefore in the prior art. Instead, Edison got a patent on his improvements to the light bulb. These improvements included a very thin filament and a reliable technique for joining the white hot filament to the room temperature lead wires.

[Spruce]

It can't be easy these days bringing new product ideas and concepts to the market I would imagine?
I'm not unique and special enough to be able to dream up new inventions sadly.
But recently I became aware of something known in the US patent sector as Prior Art:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art
However a recent experience made me question the validity of certain individuals claims/intentions (in the USA) who use Prior Art as a way of leverage against somebody else applying for a patent.
Basically a guy in America had produced a couple of sketchup drawings of a flimsy cabinet with a Perspex front to sit over a wood cutting mitre saw to control dust being inhaled by the user. He then submitted the two sketchup designs to YouTube and spammed a couple of Forums about what he had done with links to his videos.
He had not actually proved to anyone (with photos or video) that he had produced a prototype of any kind.
So there was no data to show that  this cabinet could live up to his claims, it seemed purely theoretical.
A few people gave critique of the design and how impractical it was (which looked like something resurrected  from 30 years ago) to which the guy then replied that he was an engineer with a PHD and a Lawyer with his own Patent Office?
Then his next reply was that he will test it out one day and that he would be using his 3 forum posts as "Prior Art".     
So I'm just wondering if in the future if someone actually takes the time to design, test and produce something similar that is actually useable that this shark will challenge their patent in order to receive a payoff or a commission citing his Prior Art of the idea.
Just struck me that the whole episode has a bad taste about it.

Very interesting reading in particular the underlined.
Regarding designing some thing similar not sure you mean look the same as it looks.
Or does the same action but use  different device.
Not looking like the original apparatus?
But works the same but better .
This then would be seen as a improvement to the original invention.
Found this it would be applicable?
 Anything not found in the prior art can be potentially patentable. Thomas Edison, for example, did not get a patent on the basic concept of the light bulb. It was already patented and therefore in the prior art. Instead, Edison got a patent on his improvements to the light bulb. These improvements included a very thin filament and a reliable technique for joining the white hot filament to the room temperature lead wires.

HMan, If you have any idea what they are talking about with regard to Prior Art, please explain it to me in simple layman's terms.
I started reading it and then thought how fortunate I was that I won't live long enough to concern myself with whatever its talking about.

[H MAN]

Anything not found in the prior art can be potentially patentable. Thomas Edison, for example, did not get a patent on the basic concept of the light bulb. It was already patented and therefore in the prior art. Instead, Edison got a patent on his improvements to the light bulb. These improvements included a very thin filament and a reliable technique for joining the white hot filament to the room temperature lead wires.

Anything not found in the prior art can be potentially patentable.
So that has been already a basic concept patent this is a prior art.
But you can patent a improvement that is not in the prior art of that patent.
As explained above.


 

[H MAN]

Spruce ;
Do you understand now??

[Smurf]

Oh well as far as Prior Art is concerned I would not want to waste my time trying to re-invent the wheel on reach it products that's for sure. 

[Spruce]

Spruce ;
Do you understand now??

 
Thank you H-Man.

[Spruce]

Oh well as far as Prior Art is concerned I would not want to waste my time trying to re-invent the wheel on reach it products that's for sure. 

 

I wonder if section H has a patent?

[Dave Willis]

Preparation H ?

[CleanClear]

Preparation H ?

You ever heard the old saying?

Itchy bum, money to come,
Nearer the hole, bigger the sum.