[Gareth Brown]

Take it from me 2 of you in 1 van will be earning lots of money.

Not as much two men, each in their own van.

[NWH]

Indeed your right.

[NWH]

This is what makes me laugh when amounts of money are discussed I'm waiting for some to come on here and say 3-350 each van it's not possible blimey you lot on here are a lot of dreamers lol.

[Smurf]

This is what makes me laugh when amounts of money are discussed I'm waiting for some to come on here and say 3-350 each van it's not possible blimey you lot on here are a lot of dreamers lol.

Why is it not possible?

[NWH]

Of course it is that's the joke of it when you say a 2 man team in a van each is doing £600 minimum between them the old knockers soon appear and say eee by gum you lot are living in lala land,only easy if you have the right work though saying that.

[Gareth Brown]

I am confused. Are you saying that two men working together can turn out £600 worth of work between them?

[dazmond]

I am confused. Are you saying that two men working together can turn out £600 worth of work between them?

most wont unless your work is london prices or commercial.most will turnover £300-£400 a day (2 man team) on domestic i reckon.

[Smudger]

I am confused. Are you saying that two men working together can turn out £600 worth of work between them?

most wont unless your work is london prices or commercial.most will turnover £300-£400 a day (2 man team) on domestic i reckon.

I'm nowhere near London or Surrey and it's more than possible.....

Darran

[SeanK]

I am confused. Are you saying that two men working together can turn out £600 worth of work between them?

most wont unless your work is london prices or commercial.most will turnover £300-£400 a day (2 man team) on domestic i reckon.

I'm nowhere near London or Surrey and it's more than possible.....

Darran

He didn't say it was impossible he said most wont just as most would tend to agree with him.

[lee_dewing]

So if I ever employed an apprentice, then say I would pay there hourly rate x 7 hours a day x 5 days a week.

But then only expect them to be working 4 days a week which would include Saturday if needed.
(maybe you don't tell employee that 4 days is all that's needed, so if they are decent they won't mind putting in extra day when needed).


Employee doesn't get fed up not being able to work and not getting paid, or alternatively standing in pouring rain trying to earn their wages.

Some weeks as the employer I would earn more than others but surely there would be an average.

Just thinking out loud.

Is what I said rubbish?

Would that work doing everything above board and legal?

I would not want to be paying someone cash in hand using them a few days a week, as id imagine I would only attract the dole brigade.

Wouldn't want someone of that mentality.
1) breaking the law.
2) can't see how you would find someone in that mind set with decent morals.
3) customers would not find that professional
Ps.
Some of you on here won't employ the younger ones 16;18 year olds are they all that bad?

Do you have to confiscate all their toys at the start of the day and return at the end (mobile phone).

[SeanK]

There are a couple of employers in my area and they both seem to work on flexible hours, you will see them out on the
odd Saturday and working late in the evenings to make up for any weather shortfalls.
I'm sure this arrangement wouldn't suit everybody due to family commitments and so on but they do seem to get guys happy
enough to work this way and have no problem replacing guys for which it no longer suits.
That's why I laugh at guys on here who say you cant employ unless your prepared to work in all weathers.
One employs around 20 guys and the other has around 10.

[NWH]

I had 1 lad he lasted a week or so he could not put his phone down from 7-30 till going home time,everytime we finished a house he was straight on his phone. You obviously couldn't confiscate it that would cause bad feeling but it would need to outlined at the start that when he's working the phone stays in the van or on silent in his pocket,unless of course he has a wife or girlfriend that texts him in between her watching Jeremy Kyle. Another mistake I made was finishing early to many days with another employee in the end he took it upon himself to arrange certain appointments etc 2 hours or so before going home time,some people take kindness as a weakness I'm afraid,it never works trying to be there m8 as soon as that boss employee relationship has gone you've had it.

[Smudger]

Your overthinking it, it's not that complicated,

If you are going to do paye then set it at 30 hrs ( they can work more if needed ) and you work flexi time set over 6 days

We don't work in bad weather, and have never been more than 2 days behind - always upto date, but we run strict scheduled rounds.

If your concerned take someone on as self employed they give you an invoice for hours worked.

I'd only take on people under 25 if most work was commercial,  if you want them to drive then insurance is extremely expensive, if not impossible a good worker is also one with commitments - family, mortgage, rent etc...

Darran

[NWH]

Agree with that only take on someone with bills so they need you as much as you do them.

[8weekly]

I am confused. Are you saying that two men working together can turn out £600 worth of work between them?

most wont unless your work is london prices or commercial.most will turnover £300-£400 a day (2 man team) on domestic i reckon.

I'm nowhere near London or Surrey and it's more than possible.....

Darran

And Daz is in the Surrey of the north.

[Dave Willis]

No, Slurry of the North.

[lee_dewing]

Darran.

I maybe wrong but I thought the self employed invoicing thing you mentioned not strictly legal as self employed the guy working for you is only allowed to do 16 hours for you.

This is to stop employers dodging income tax.

But as said maybe talking twaddle.

Darran how long was you on your own before employing?

Unfortunately my water purification system is at my parents no off street parking so I load on barrels with sack trolley.

I do use hose reel for work.

So wouldn't consider employing til I moved to a property where I could run a proper van mount system.

Does suit me on my jack jones as my daughter is 10 and do a bit of the school run bit.
As she gets older and I'm not to be seen with then I can see me getting some help.

Thanks Lee.

[Smudger]

I'm east not north - carrot cruncher territory !!

Lee - I think I did 18 months solo, then had the father in law on self employed basis, that nearly ended the company, (never work with family !!)

Then employed and never looked back from then, it's not easy or always smooth sailing but I can now see the kids off to school or pick them up without the company grinding to a halt.

Yes I still do long days, normally on specialt, or high price work

Darran

[lee_dewing]

then  had the father in law on self employed basis, that nearly ended the company, (never work with family !!)

 

Funny enough I was thinking of having my dad work with me the odd day at one point.

But my Mrs pointed out that wouldn't be a good idea as did my mum

[NWH]

Worked with my old dad for quiet a few years I'm so glad I did it I've got some really good memories from it but it didn't work really we were always arguing,the amount of days I just went home at 10 o'clock lol. Funny when you look back though I wouldn't change a thing working with him,I started with scrim then the squidge and started on the pole about 2 years after he packed in,good old days.