[dave f]

why wouldent you want to earn more safely its a no brainer.

[cgh window cleaning]

Not scared of heights, just don't like hitting the ground at 50 mph !!

Darran

Not the point I was trying to make.no one wants to or should get hurt at work.

Years ago before wfp took off and 90% of window cleaners you saw used ladders I use to regularly get comments  like  "I could never do your job I hate heights"
Now people who would have never got in to this job are hence why we are seeing more and more wfp window cleaners.
The die hard old school trad window cleaners will mostly never change the way they work they have been working that way for years and for  them  this works very well.eventually they will die off and with most new starters going the wfp route this method will soon be the most recognised method we see.

[Steven Biggs]

There's defo more market traders round our way than wfp window cleaners . Why the comparison .?

[NWH]

Depends on the area down south there are loads of WFP cleaners now days,the houses are to big in some cases to even consider ladders these days.

[Smurf]

Plenty of what I call noddy town 3 storey houses of all sizes springing up everywhere. Not to mention 3/4 storey residential flats too that most trad guys would not want to do.

[dave f]

I think we have tuned this in to 2 topics .

[NWH]

What this thread should be is how many window cleaners out there still haven't spotted there is an easier way to earn money from cleaning windows,when I've chatted to them and delved a bit deeper into there situation it's all boiled down to the same thing happy plodding on can't be bothered my customers wouldn't go for that pole thing it doesn't work,I've given up trying to convince trad cleaners you should hear what most of them think about us polers lol

[Smurf]

What this thread should be is how many window cleaners out there still haven't spotted there is an easier way to earn money from cleaning windows,when I've chatted to them and delved a bit deeper into there situation it's all boiled down to the same thing happy plodding on can't be bothered my customers wouldn't go for that pole thing it doesn't work,I've given up trying to convince trad cleaners you should here what most of them think about us polers lol

The irony NWH is most wfp users use to be trad ladder monkeys as  well 
Most you will find have either taken a fall and/or have health issues that promted them to try wfp method instead.

It's a bit like darwin's theroy of evolution I suppose.
rag monkey
squeege monkey
squegee pole monkey
stick wagling peeing monkey

[NWH]

I used to be myself this is he main reason why I can't see why given any excuse you wouldn't want to switch even if was done gradually,the pole dosent do a good job or the customers won't like it is pure nonsense it's the main reason why they are still traddin excuse after excuse because it requires effort to make the switch and it means your going out of your picking the kids up at 1-00 comfort zone. the vast majority might as well hold there hands up and say TBH quiet honest with you I can't be bothered with the hassle mate I'm quiet happy slagging it off trying to put the general public off it so I keep all my work I'm happy with.

[G Griffin]

the vast majority might as well hold there hands up and say TBH quiet honest with you I can't be bothered with the hassle mate I'm quiet happy slagging it off trying to put the general public off it so I keep all my work I'm happy with.

Does that bother you?

[NWH]

In no way does that bother me but the thing is why don't they just say that instead of saying it does a crap job or it's just lazy not climbing ladders,do some people want a medal for climbing up down up down ladders all day long it just makes me laugh. I'm my experience the ones I've talked to and I've talked to some trad cleaners,all of them say they've thought about it and then say naaaaaaahh think I'll stay as I am I clean Windows the proper way I do lol

[NWH]

How many do you hear say sod this pole thing I'm going back up a ladder from next week,I've never heard anyone doing that.

[G Griffin]

In no way does that bother me but the thing is why don't they just say that instead of saying it does a crap job or it's just lazy not climbing ladders,do some people want a medal for climbing up down up down ladders all day long it just makes me laugh. I'm my experience the ones I've talked to and I've talked to some trad cleaners,all of them say they've thought about it and then say naaaaaaahh think I'll stay as I am I clean Windows the proper way I do lol

So it does bother you  .
I suspect they don't like an alternative to the way they work. And I suspect many wfp users don't like an alternative to the way they work.
Neither camp wants to change so they knock the other and just hope it goes away.

[stan stansfield]

How many do you hear say sod this pole thing I'm going back up a ladder from next week,I've never heard anyone doing that.

cant remember his name but a lad on here from sheffield did

[NWH]

I'm not knocking them the way they work I worked like it myself for a long time,a better easier method came along I took it end of,my point is most of them don't want to change because they don't want to put the effort in to making there life simpler-easier in my experience of talking to them. Bit  like saying I bike 20 miles a day to work just to keep fit when really they don't want to fork out for a car eh.

[NWH]

Well there you go that's the first I've heard of it.

[stan stansfield]

How many do you hear say sod this pole thing I'm going back up a ladder from next week,I've never heard anyone doing that.

cant remember his name but a lad on here from sheffield did

birdymiller srings to mind

[SeanK]

I'm not knocking them the way they work I worked like it myself for a long time,a better easier method came along I took it end of,my point is most of them don't want to change because they don't want to put the effort in to making there life simpler-easier in my experience of talking to them. Bit  like saying I bike 20 miles a day to work just to keep fit when really they don't want to fork out for a car eh.

Mate what planet do you live on ? there's hardly a week goes by on this forum without a post on sore joints neck pain RSI all
caused by WFP, I would convert to traditional cleaning tomorrow if I wasn't afraid of breaking my neck, which by the way
feels as if its broken after a days poling.
WFP is a method of cleaning windows while keeping your feet safely on the ground it has both good and bad points just like traditional cleaning but neither is easy.

[G Griffin]

I'm not knocking them the way they work I worked like it myself for a long time,a better easier method came along I took it end of,my point is most of them don't want to change because they don't want to put the effort in to making there life simpler-easier in my experience of talking to them. Bit  like saying I bike 20 miles a day to work just to keep fit when really they don't want to fork out for a car eh.

Mate what planet do you live on ? there's hardly a week goes by on this forum without a post on sore joints neck pain RSI all
caused by WFP, I would convert to traditional cleaning tomorrow if I wasn't afraid of breaking my neck, which by the way
feels as if its broken after a days poling.
WFP is a method of cleaning windows while keeping your feet safely on the ground it has both good and bad points just like traditional cleaning but neither is easy.

You're right.
It's a physical job whatever the method.

[NWH]

Planet earth
999 lets be avenue
Easy street on sea
Back ache -shoulder ache-golfers elbow the lot I wouldn't climb a ladder all day again if I could swap em all m8,the point I'm making is they are full of excuses to why they don't change over,you don't need to have a degree to know it's easier this debate has been done so my times fuelled by trad cleaners who have never switched over who don't know what there talking about. I've nothing against ladder and bucket but I have when they try and tell me how they do it is the only way to clean a window,if your happy carry on that's what life's about but mine is about making it as easy as possible. Nighty night xx