[SeanK]

Like Smurf I bought a few bottles but didn't like it that much either. I am not knocking the new version and I would love it if it really did help with the removal of snail trails and to clean heavily soiled windows. What I don't understand is why a video can't be posted on you tube showing someone using it. The video of  a couple of bottles moving about was a joke.  Show us it in action and then I may buy it.

G&M this product is nothing more than a joke designed to take in newbies who don't understand the concept of cleaning
with pure,  a video would be too easy to pull to pieces by guys who know what they're doing in other words it would be counter
productive as a method of selling this nonsense.
Do you not think if this product actually did anything it wouldn't be plastered all over you tube by now especially when one
of the so called inventors has a video of himself cleaning at speed and it doesn't even mention Vision.
If you are having problems cleaning with pure put the problem up on this forum as there are a few on here who know their stuff and will keep you right.

Seank....
We know you don't like vision, you've made that pretty obvious. Why do you feel the need to continually undermine it and hijack every single vision post?
Plenty of us do like it and will continue using it contrary to your drab negative comments.

We're sorry we don't all conform to the seank way, only working 3 days a year because of the weather, using extreme brushes with only 3 bristles left because we don't like to try new things, spending 24 hours a day commenting on every single post so we can feel like we're a real window cleaner.   

  when these guys aren't buying second hand Gardiner poles on Ebay they do entertain us on here, I bet your
on Kempy's facebook dummy list.

[Rich Wilts]

Like Smurf I bought a few bottles but didn't like it that much either. I am not knocking the new version and I would love it if it really did help with the removal of snail trails and to clean heavily soiled windows. What I don't understand is why a video can't be posted on you tube showing someone using it. The video of  a couple of bottles moving about was a joke.  Show us it in action and then I may buy it.

G&M this product is nothing more than a joke designed to take in newbies who don't understand the concept of cleaning
with pure,  a video would be too easy to pull to pieces by guys who know what they're doing in other words it would be counter
productive as a method of selling this nonsense.
Do you not think if this product actually did anything it wouldn't be plastered all over you tube by now especially when one
of the so called inventors has a video of himself cleaning at speed and it doesn't even mention Vision.
If you are having problems cleaning with pure put the problem up on this forum as there are a few on here who know their stuff and will keep you right.

It reminds when I went down to a local WFP supplier, Aquafactors, and  there was couple in there. Looked like husband and wife. A bit 'green'. Being sold the latest load of ol' rubbings that the trade had to offer. I felt sorry for them really because they were only trying to make out in a new venture, make a life for themselves. Be self-employed and successful. Basically they were being ripped off royally.

[SeanK]

Sean- do you use different brushes for different properties?
I've got a clx and I'm using a 0 degrees splay medium mixed bristles as I have quite a few custys with leaded windows, but quite a few of them have half leaded and half normal and find the brush doesn't scrub too well on glass without lead , what would you advise as I only use pure (ex vision user 👍)
Is there a better brush I could use that scrubs better but doesn't damage the lead?
Cheers

I just use my medium mixed xtreme on leaded ( black and white ) I go light on the scrub as not to cause damage and would
rinse a bit more.
For bird poo spray a good cleaner of your choice on the brush rub on and let it soak this usually loosens it up so you don't
need to be heavy handed on the scrub.

[kempy]

It's a difficult one doing a utube video .
If seanK did a video what would that reflect - a negative video

If I do one , it be positive .

Been plenty of videos and photos on the Vision-on group .

I'm too busy with window cleaning , vision , family and hobbies to post videos .

Jonny Sanderson did one about 9 months a go .

Persons would only be critics on what it's doing , technique , picked certain Windows to video .

Vision removed debris quicker and aids the user .

Some will like it And some won't .

I'm not on a crusade to win everyone over . Persons will always choose / buy for themselves .

If QuarterLight does a video then very pleased for him to do that .
I've had many persons happy with using the 1-original vision
2- VisionE
3- a few happy testers of what I hope I can launch next year
Vision+

It's been a long difficult ride and very tough at times . But had good support and stuck with it .

I do find SeanK statements and opinions very harsh and negative at times . But his entitled to his beliefs . It's not easy to bring a product to market . There's a lot of behind the scenes stuff . Not easy .  Kevin and Jonny should take a lot of credit for vision , both did as much as me if not more .

Life's too short guys to belittle a product constantly , if you don't like it , then fair enough .
I don't like certain products , hence I just buy the ones I like .

[Rich Wilts]

If I do one , it be positive .

Any salesman that does a video its going to be positive; we all know that already thanks. So just do one. Make a fecking video, stop putting up reasons not to.


SHOW US HOW ITS BETTER!!!

[chris turner]

If I do one , it be positive .

Any salesman that does a video its going to be positive; we all know that already thanks. So just do one. Make a fecking video, stop putting up reasons not to.


SHOW US HOW ITS BETTER!!!

Errr, just use it for a month then you'll see!

[Smurf]

So can I ask what's the difference with between VisionE and the newer version called Vision+  you mentioned kempy?

[SeanK]

Its not hard to do a video, If I done a deliberately negative video then it would be easy to spot that I was deliberately putting
the product down the same as it would easy to spot if the product was a load of nonsense.
Maybe you should look at some of your so called independent supporters before accusing anybody of harsh comments.

[chris turner]

Not trying to be funny, but why do people need a video?
Have you ever contacted imperial leather and requested a video on what's so special about using soap and water, instead of just plain water to wash your hands?
You know that water alone doesn't fully remove the dirt from your hands...

[Shane sharples]

Sean- do you use different brushes for different properties?
I've got a clx and I'm using a 0 degrees splay medium mixed bristles as I have quite a few custys with leaded windows, but quite a few of them have half leaded and half normal and find the brush doesn't scrub too well on glass without lead , what would you advise as I only use pure (ex vision user 👍)
Is there a better brush I could use that scrubs better but doesn't damage the lead?
Cheers

I just use my medium mixed xtreme on leaded ( black and white ) I go light on the scrub as not to cause damage and would
rinse a bit more.
For bird poo spray a good cleaner of your choice on the brush rub on and let it soak this usually loosens it up so you don't
need to be heavy handed on the scrub.

Cheers sean

[SeanK]

Not trying to be funny, but why do people need a video?
Have you ever contacted imperial leather and requested a video on what's so special about using soap and water, instead of just plain water to wash your hands?
You know that water alone doesn't fully remove the dirt from your hands...

This is what I have been saying all along, you have a guy who doesn't believe water on its own can do the job so by putting
a placebo in the mix it now works.
Now some will say even though he's been taken for a ride its still helping him so where's the harm but I still believe its
better to train somebody how to do the job right even though the end game will be the same.

[chris turner]

Not trying to be funny, but why do people need a video?
Have you ever contacted imperial leather and requested a video on what's so special about using soap and water, instead of just plain water to wash your hands?
You know that water alone doesn't fully remove the dirt from your hands...

This is what I have been saying all along, you have a guy who doesn't believe water on its own can do the job so by putting
a placebo in the mix it now works.
Now some will say even though he's been taken for a ride its still helping him so where's the harm but I still believe its
better to train somebody how to do the job right even though the end game will be the same.

 

Sean, there are no active cleaning ingredients in pure water, its just h20 ffs.
The brush agitates and loosens the dirt, the water washes it away, simple.
Water on its own will not remove stains or ingrained dirt.
Pure water is just water, it doesn't have any cleaning properties, it doesn't do anything, which is good for not leaving residue on glass but bad for deep cleaning.
Il bet money that in 20 years no window cleaner will be using just 'pure water'.


And your right Sean, I'm not happy with my cleaning results, even when windows are sparkling at me I'm not happy. That's why I'm extremely good at my job, I always want to do better and I will look for products to help me achieve that.

[SeanK]

Not trying to be funny, but why do people need a video?
Have you ever contacted imperial leather and requested a video on what's so special about using soap and water, instead of just plain water to wash your hands?
You know that water alone doesn't fully remove the dirt from your hands...

This is what I have been saying all along, you have a guy who doesn't believe water on its own can do the job so by putting
a placebo in the mix it now works.
Now some will say even though he's been taken for a ride its still helping him so where's the harm but I still believe its
better to train somebody how to do the job right even though the end game will be the same.

 

Sean, there are no active cleaning ingredients in pure water, its just h20 ffs.
The brush agitates and loosens the dirt, the water washes it away, simple.
Water on its own will not remove stains or ingrained dirt.
Pure water is just water, it doesn't have any cleaning properties, it doesn't do anything, which is good for not leaving residue on glass but bad for deep cleaning.
Il bet money that in 20 years no window cleaner will be using just 'pure water'.


And your right Sean, I'm not happy with my cleaning results, even when windows are sparkling at me I'm not happy. That's why I'm extremely good at my job, I always want to do better and I will look for products to help me achieve that.

I'm sure Kempy cringes when people like this try to fight his case, water has no cleaning properties.

[chris turner]

Not trying to be funny, but why do people need a video?
Have you ever contacted imperial leather and requested a video on what's so special about using soap and water, instead of just plain water to wash your hands?
You know that water alone doesn't fully remove the dirt from your hands...

This is what I have been saying all along, you have a guy who doesn't believe water on its own can do the job so by putting
a placebo in the mix it now works.
Now some will say even though he's been taken for a ride its still helping him so where's the harm but I still believe its
better to train somebody how to do the job right even though the end game will be the same.

 

Sean, there are no active cleaning ingredients in pure water, its just h20 ffs.
The brush agitates and loosens the dirt, the water washes it away, simple.
Water on its own will not remove stains or ingrained dirt.
Pure water is just water, it doesn't have any cleaning properties, it doesn't do anything, which is good for not leaving residue on glass but bad for deep cleaning.
Il bet money that in 20 years no window cleaner will be using just 'pure water'.


And your right Sean, I'm not happy with my cleaning results, even when windows are sparkling at me I'm not happy. That's why I'm extremely good at my job, I always want to do better and I will look for products to help me achieve that.

I'm sure Kempy cringes when people like this try to fight his case, water has no cleaning properties.

I'm sure just about everyone cringes when you post on there topics..

[kempy]

SeanK , I'm not going to get into a conflict . You think Vidion is pointless - fair do's . I personally and obviously don't .

You say pure  water is all you need , I'm sure on this thread you have posted that you spray virosol or similiar in first cleans . Is this contradicting yourself .
I don't need to do this as vision is very good on first cleans .
Anyway , let's just agree to disagree .

A video , will show me cleaning a window , it will be clean and effortless as well with using vision .
Plus vision gets better and better on repeated cleaning of the same window .
I don't need to do a video .

[kempy]

Persons have bought vision and are very happy users and regular uses of this product .
Some have bought it and probably will never buy it again .

It happens on every product .
Buy it , use it or simply don't buy it and ignore it .

[Smurf]

SeanK , I'm not going to get into a conflict . You think Vidion is pointless - fair do's . I personally and obviously don't .

You say pure  water is all you need , I'm sure on this thread you have posted that you spray virosol or similiar in first cleans . Is this contradicting yourself .
I don't need to do this as vision is very good on first cleans .
Anyway , let's just agree to disagree .

A video , will show me cleaning a window , it will be clean and effortless as well with using vision .
Plus vision gets better and better on repeated cleaning of the same window .
I don't need to do a video .

That's very tactful of you kempy as I would have said to seank  something like" shut the fook up you numpty" but that's just me

[kempy]

I think we're all tired of these posts , lol ....
If you text me  Smurf on 07979966041 I can discuss a few things .
No problem .

Or SeanK can text and We can argue . LOL

[SeanK]

I think we're all tired of these posts , lol ....
If you text me  Smurf on 07979966041 I can discuss a few things .
No problem .

Or SeanK can text and We can argue . LOL

I very rarely argue with you Kempy just your silly customers.

[Rich Wilts]

Have you ever contacted imperial leather and requested a video on what's so special about using soap and water

No need to


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlsJcnt-o7E