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Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #100 on: September 25, 2015, 08:11:14 pm »


Smudger

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Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #102 on: September 25, 2015, 11:09:54 pm »
Cheers Matt - I like where possible to know the people I'm talking to.

Nick - that's an interesting perspective, but maybe all those who have been on the course have had to sign a contract of non disclosure

Og - is that the case, after all as you have "the" certificate then being open about what the course entails would help other to evaluate its worth, after all you have Stevens guarantee no one else in your area can clean solar panels, so I see no reason to be all hush hush

Darran
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Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #103 on: September 26, 2015, 04:33:31 am »
Due to professional curtesy I'm not at liberty to discuss prices, needless to say it was less than the larger seven sided silver coin that is currently in circulation .

Darran

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Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #104 on: September 26, 2015, 04:38:25 am »
To be fair I'd say fair play to Steve,

It's not for everyone as I can see from reading this thread.

If he's making money from it and he's enjoying it then keep it up.

Operations manager at J.V Price Ltd

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Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #105 on: September 26, 2015, 07:30:31 am »
I ve communicated with Steve and what he has offered is well priced .

You can't blame him for been some what vague I certainly won't reveal certain details about the running my business to a stranger on a forum .

I would love for someone to come on here and reveal or their secrets to success pricing structure and addresses and locations and prices of jobs .

No one in their right mind would

Smudger

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Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #106 on: September 26, 2015, 01:22:18 pm »
I don't think anyone is asking Steve to divulge contacts, or even how to get solar panel cleaning work, from reading many have asked questions more to do with the dangers of cleaning solar panels to which Steve appears to be more antagonistic rather than helpful. ( just my impression from reading threads)

For my part, if Steve required a sub-contractor in the far reaches of Norfolk then I'm happy to have an adult, business style conversation about it.

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

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Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #107 on: September 26, 2015, 01:54:40 pm »
I don't think anyone is asking Steve to divulge contacts, or even how to get solar panel cleaning work, from reading many have asked questions more to do with the dangers of cleaning solar panels to which Steve appears to be more antagonistic rather than helpful. ( just my impression from reading threads)

For my part, if Steve required a sub-contractor in the far reaches of Norfolk then I'm happy to have an adult, business style conversation about it.

Darran

Apply through his website lmao

Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #108 on: September 27, 2015, 08:21:05 pm »
Steve when you say 'Approved' you mean someone who has paid YOU to go on YOUR course of YOUR design overseen by YOU? Right? Which doesn't stand for much really does it.

I'd like to ask a question. When you start flogging 'courses' (I put it in brackets because approved courses are overseen, they subscribe to a standard that has to be achieved or surpassed and that doesn't happen with your 'courses') who overseas that what you're selling and how you are operating are done in a legal and competent manner? That the service you supply and information you teach is correct. Also if it was proven that an operative was either seriously injured or killed as a direct result of mis-information supplied by yourself or your company where would the victims family stand in a compensation point of view. Where would your business stand. And where would you personally stand knowing that in a given situation that person had been killed because of a poorly managed setup that was your conception?
Matt, we had a perfectly civilised conversation on the phone the other day. Why now on the forum have you changed tone completely?

I will answer your question though, in a fashion. 'Approved' simply means that they have been approved by us, personally, to represent our company, on our jobs and work to our standard.

You speak of me 'flogging courses' like I'm some dodgy market dealer looking to make a few shady quid. I'm going to put this in capitals because it is the umpteenth time I've said it and still it isn't sinking in with some of you: THIS IS NOT A MONEY MAKING EXERCISE. THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING THE HARD EARNED REPUTATION OF MY COMPANY.

I am completely open to ANYONE from a regulatory or H&S body to come and sit on my course to judge both the professionalism and the content. In fact, come to think of it, a course conductor who carried out window cleaning courses nationwide for local authorities was on the first course back in April. He said privately that it was a more informative course than many he had sat on during his training over the years and as professional as any too.

I do not do 'half-baked' it is not in my vocabulary. The information I present is accurate and would stand up should there be an accident. Do you think I'm stupid? I HAVE to now what I'm on about. People in the solar industry want my information that is in my head that I have accumulated over the last few years. I have been invited to speak in Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Chile, all of which I have turned down due to family commitments, but I have accepted a number of seminar parts at national solar events. One of which you can view here: http://www.solar-panel-cleaners.com/solar-panel-cleaning-explained-at-energy-now-expo-2015

You lot are so brave sitting behind your PC's aren't you? So many of you claim on websites to be a 'fully trained' solar panel cleaning professional in your area. Some of you have even gone to the lengths of having dedicated solar panel cleaning websites made.

You all poke fun and mock what I have created. But where are you all? Are you in demand by the solar industry or ANY industry for your information? How many articles have you had written for European solar trade magazines? Are I don't even see you giving cards out at trade shows, let alone exhibiting or being asked to speak on such seminars. You know why? Most of you aren't brave enough to stick your head above the parapet and let someone take a shot at you. You don't ACTUALLY know what's involved with solar panel cleaning so you mock the guys who do.

Because YOU wouldn't know where to begin to fill a day with information about solar panel cleaning, you assume no one else can either. We are going great guns. The companies who join us do not regret it. That gives me all the confidence I need to move this business forward and I'd like to thank you folks who have mocked the training course for over 3 years now (yes it has been that long since I mooted the idea) you folks, you are the ones who inspire me and drive me forward. There's no greater feeling in business than proving doubters wrong.

Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #109 on: September 27, 2015, 08:22:08 pm »
Whether you're short of work or just looking to boost income  over some spare days in the month .

Some are willing to give it a go and some aren't  everyone is different .

Depends on your perception of things more money could possibly made window cleaning in a day in some cases that might be the case or it might not be .

Now that's a vague answer  ;D ;D
I like that!  ;D

Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #110 on: September 27, 2015, 08:25:06 pm »
I discovered there were a few things that I hadn't considered or come across, with regards to the cleaning of panels.
I shan't bore you with details and besides, I'd like to maintain a good relationship with clean solar solutions.
Thanks Og. You know the money is not my main concern in all of this, though it seems to be for others on the forum. But just for the record, in a word, do you think the course was worth the cost?

Rich Wilts

Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #111 on: September 27, 2015, 08:38:39 pm »
Steve when you say 'Approved' you mean someone who has paid YOU to go on YOUR course of YOUR design overseen by YOU? Right? Which doesn't stand for much really does it.

I'd like to ask a question. When you start flogging 'courses' (I put it in brackets because approved courses are overseen, they subscribe to a standard that has to be achieved or surpassed and that doesn't happen with your 'courses') who overseas that what you're selling and how you are operating are done in a legal and competent manner? That the service you supply and information you teach is correct. Also if it was proven that an operative was either seriously injured or killed as a direct result of mis-information supplied by yourself or your company where would the victims family stand in a compensation point of view. Where would your business stand. And where would you personally stand knowing that in a given situation that person had been killed because of a poorly managed setup that was your conception?
Matt, we had a perfectly civilised conversation on the phone the other day. Why now on the forum have you changed tone completely?

I will answer your question though, in a fashion. 'Approved' simply means that they have been approved by us, personally, to represent our company, on our jobs and work to our standard.

You speak of me 'flogging courses' like I'm some dodgy market dealer looking to make a few shady quid. I'm going to put this in capitals because it is the umpteenth time I've said it and still it isn't sinking in with some of you: THIS IS NOT A MONEY MAKING EXERCISE. THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING THE HARD EARNED REPUTATION OF MY COMPANY.

I am completely open to ANYONE from a regulatory or H&S body to come and sit on my course to judge both the professionalism and the content. In fact, come to think of it, a course conductor who carried out window cleaning courses nationwide for local authorities was on the first course back in April. He said privately that it was a more informative course than many he had sat on during his training over the years and as professional as any too.

I do not do 'half-baked' it is not in my vocabulary. The information I present is accurate and would stand up should there be an accident. Do you think I'm stupid? I HAVE to now what I'm on about. People in the solar industry want my information that is in my head that I have accumulated over the last few years. I have been invited to speak in Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Chile, all of which I have turned down due to family commitments, but I have accepted a number of seminar parts at national solar events. One of which you can view here: http://www.solar-panel-cleaners.com/solar-panel-cleaning-explained-at-energy-now-expo-2015

You lot are so brave sitting behind your PC's aren't you? So many of you claim on websites to be a 'fully trained' solar panel cleaning professional in your area. Some of you have even gone to the lengths of having dedicated solar panel cleaning websites made.

You all poke fun and mock what I have created. But where are you all? Are you in demand by the solar industry or ANY industry for your information? How many articles have you had written for European solar trade magazines? Are I don't even see you giving cards out at trade shows, let alone exhibiting or being asked to speak on such seminars. You know why? Most of you aren't brave enough to stick your head above the parapet and let someone take a shot at you. You don't ACTUALLY know what's involved with solar panel cleaning so you mock the guys who do.

Because YOU wouldn't know where to begin to fill a day with information about solar panel cleaning, you assume no one else can either. We are going great guns. The companies who join us do not regret it. That gives me all the confidence I need to move this business forward and I'd like to thank you folks who have mocked the training course for over 3 years now (yes it has been that long since I mooted the idea) you folks, you are the ones who inspire me and drive me forward. There's no greater feeling in business than proving doubters wrong.

An interesting response I have to say.

You seem to be taking this all a little bit too personally Steve. The questions I've asked are perfectly understandable questions for someone who is concerned about their own safety and the safety of staff they may consider putting on one of your courses. If you can't stand up under some sort of questioning how does that come across? It might be an idea if you get accustomed to people questioning you, you're naive if you think it's going to be a simple stroll to get your idea off the ground.

Why shouldn't you be questioned anyway? You put yourself up as the authority throughout the UK in solar panel cleaning and cleaning courses and then think we shouldn't be able to question you or your business? Where you get the idea that I poke fun at you I have no idea.

As for the phone call we had, yes it was perfectly amiable, I would welcome you calling me again if you need my help. I'm sorry I couldn't help you out on this occasion, maybe next time ;)

Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #112 on: September 27, 2015, 08:49:43 pm »
Very strange business model. An intelligent guy spends three years studying and acquires a huge amount  of knowledge about a subject. Rather than employ or franchise, decides to sell his intellectual property, all he has learnt for approx £250.00 .
We now have at least 55 sub-contractors...tomorrows contractors, available to sell on or use all that has been  taught.I can see websites being made now with "fully certified and approved" in their headings.
Ironically Steve cannot do this...the HSE frown upon self certification.
I am waiting for the first of them to put the information in writing and selling it. It could be a nice Christmas bonus for some one.
The certified can now be teachers!!
To get this info for that money, seems like a bargain to me.
With franchising and employment, the franchisees and employed are desperate for the franchisor or employer to succeed, with this model the sub contractors are hoping for the demise of the contractor, to step in his boots.
Like I said...strange business model.
Nick, interesting comments. We do employ. Two years ago there was just me. Now there is 8 of us. Three in the office and five on tools. That's not bad growth in two years I don't think.
It was too early in the business development to previously look into franchising. Franchises usually require a degree of company and industry history before anyone is willing to become a franchisee. That attitude is changing as the industry develops though. Like everything else I talk, about in public on here, I will not go into detail, but that is changing too. A lot of people on here said I would never get a training course up and running, let alone get anyone to come on it....

I could not and to a degree still cannot grow my business fast enough without considerable cost or risk. Going down the route I have still carries a degree of risk. What is to stop Og coming on here and telling all for example? Nothing. But I have weighed up that risk and made our business proposition good enough so that others want to protect it and the Clean Solar Solutions brand as much as I do. I have sacrificed the 'me' for the 'we' and our Approved Contractors now do the same.

Self-interest is not as strong as collective-interest. Alone we are one drop of rain, but together we are an ocean. My employed staff and our Approved Contractors know that if we all work together, we all win.

You say you can see websites being made now with 'fully certified and approved' on them.  Guess what's? They are already out there, shed loads of them.  People who claim to be 'fully trained' for solar panel cleaning, which puzzles me because the only place you can get trained is with us and they are not our Approved Contractors! But we do get great joy in quoting from these websites during the afternoon session of the training day and reducing their ACTUAL knowledge of solar panel cleaning through either their pictures or outrageous claims that they make on their website.

On the training days, I do not sell 'information'. Some information money cannot buy and some information is not worth selling. What I do sell is a business proposition which makes my brand and company stronger than it already is. I sell a formula that makes it in the interest of the Approved Contractor to promote Clean Solar Solutions. If Clean Solar Solutions win, so do the Approved Contractors. We all win.

That's far superior to selling 'information'.

Anyway, if you go back to the beginning of this thread, you'll see that didn't want to talk about the training. We still have need for subcontractors in some areas though with work GUARANTEED. Penrith, Carlisle, Newcastle upon Tyne and Manchester have now gone, but Liverpool and Birkenhead is still a good sized area still available, among a few other places.

Og

Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #113 on: September 27, 2015, 08:54:36 pm »
I discovered there were a few things that I hadn't considered or come across, with regards to the cleaning of panels.
I shan't bore you with details and besides, I'd like to maintain a good relationship with clean solar solutions.
Thanks Og. You know the money is not my main concern in all of this, though it seems to be for others on the forum. But just for the record, in a word, do you think the course was worth the cost?

Without wanting to sound sycophantic, undoubtedly 'yes'.

Really don't understand all the drama. Either you're in, or you're out?

Rich Wilts

Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #114 on: September 27, 2015, 08:58:11 pm »
Steve I might have the wrong end of the stick here but would I be right in thinking people can't self-certify themselves and become approved contractors without your input.

Or have I got that wrong?

Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #115 on: September 27, 2015, 08:59:12 pm »
Steve when you say 'Approved' you mean someone who has paid YOU to go on YOUR course of YOUR design overseen by YOU? Right? Which doesn't stand for much really does it.

I'd like to ask a question. When you start flogging 'courses' (I put it in brackets because approved courses are overseen, they subscribe to a standard that has to be achieved or surpassed and that doesn't happen with your 'courses') who overseas that what you're selling and how you are operating are done in a legal and competent manner? That the service you supply and information you teach is correct. Also if it was proven that an operative was either seriously injured or killed as a direct result of mis-information supplied by yourself or your company where would the victims family stand in a compensation point of view. Where would your business stand. And where would you personally stand knowing that in a given situation that person had been killed because of a poorly managed setup that was your conception?
Matt, we had a perfectly civilised conversation on the phone the other day. Why now on the forum have you changed tone completely?

I will answer your question though, in a fashion. 'Approved' simply means that they have been approved by us, personally, to represent our company, on our jobs and work to our standard.

You speak of me 'flogging courses' like I'm some dodgy market dealer looking to make a few shady quid. I'm going to put this in capitals because it is the umpteenth time I've said it and still it isn't sinking in with some of you: THIS IS NOT A MONEY MAKING EXERCISE. THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING THE HARD EARNED REPUTATION OF MY COMPANY.

I am completely open to ANYONE from a regulatory or H&S body to come and sit on my course to judge both the professionalism and the content. In fact, come to think of it, a course conductor who carried out window cleaning courses nationwide for local authorities was on the first course back in April. He said privately that it was a more informative course than many he had sat on during his training over the years and as professional as any too.

I do not do 'half-baked' it is not in my vocabulary. The information I present is accurate and would stand up should there be an accident. Do you think I'm stupid? I HAVE to now what I'm on about. People in the solar industry want my information that is in my head that I have accumulated over the last few years. I have been invited to speak in Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Chile, all of which I have turned down due to family commitments, but I have accepted a number of seminar parts at national solar events. One of which you can view here: http://www.solar-panel-cleaners.com/solar-panel-cleaning-explained-at-energy-now-expo-2015

You lot are so brave sitting behind your PC's aren't you? So many of you claim on websites to be a 'fully trained' solar panel cleaning professional in your area. Some of you have even gone to the lengths of having dedicated solar panel cleaning websites made.

You all poke fun and mock what I have created. But where are you all? Are you in demand by the solar industry or ANY industry for your information? How many articles have you had written for European solar trade magazines? Are I don't even see you giving cards out at trade shows, let alone exhibiting or being asked to speak on such seminars. You know why? Most of you aren't brave enough to stick your head above the parapet and let someone take a shot at you. You don't ACTUALLY know what's involved with solar panel cleaning so you mock the guys who do.

Because YOU wouldn't know where to begin to fill a day with information about solar panel cleaning, you assume no one else can either. We are going great guns. The companies who join us do not regret it. That gives me all the confidence I need to move this business forward and I'd like to thank you folks who have mocked the training course for over 3 years now (yes it has been that long since I mooted the idea) you folks, you are the ones who inspire me and drive me forward. There's no greater feeling in business than proving doubters wrong.

An interesting response I have to say.

You seem to be taking this all a little bit too personally Steve. The questions I've asked are perfectly understandable questions for someone who is concerned about their own safety and the safety of staff they may consider putting on one of your courses. If you can't stand up under some sort of questioning how does that come across? It might be an idea if you get accustomed to people questioning you, you're naive if you think it's going to be a simple stroll to get your idea off the ground.

Why shouldn't you be questioned anyway? You put yourself up as the authority throughout the UK in solar panel cleaning and cleaning courses and then think we shouldn't be able to question you or your business? Where you get the idea that I poke fun at you I have no idea.

As for the phone call we had, yes it was perfectly amiable, I would welcome you calling me again if you need my help. I'm sorry I couldn't help you out on this occasion, maybe next time ;)
I don't take it personally Matt. It just frustrates me that I have to answer the same questions time and time and time again. The questions you asked have been asked umpteen times on this forum before. If you are 'concerned about their own safety and the safety of staff they may consider putting on one of your courses', you get on the next course more than most.

I don't need to get my 'idea off the ground' anymore. It's flying already. All I'm doing now is making it more streamlined. It's a bit like quizzing Henry Ford about if his 'car idea' is going to take off after he's sold 250,000 units and has his 55th dealership open. He would have probably just rolled his eyes said "No, it won't take off." and then walk off smiling.  :)

Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #116 on: September 27, 2015, 09:00:56 pm »
I discovered there were a few things that I hadn't considered or come across, with regards to the cleaning of panels.
I shan't bore you with details and besides, I'd like to maintain a good relationship with clean solar solutions.
Thanks Og. You know the money is not my main concern in all of this, though it seems to be for others on the forum. But just for the record, in a word, do you think the course was worth the cost?

Without wanting to sound sycophantic, undoubtedly 'yes'.

Really don't understand all the drama. Either you're in, or you're out?
I'm glad.  :)

No, I don't understand the drama either. I only asked for subcontractors in certain areas!  ;D

Matt.

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Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #117 on: September 27, 2015, 09:01:12 pm »
Am out mate  :-[

I have work coming out my ears,  and cannot commit to what is required.

But best of luck to those that do get the opportunity.

Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #118 on: September 27, 2015, 09:11:33 pm »
Steve I might have the wrong end of the stick here but would I be right in thinking people can't self-certify themselves and become approved contractors without your input.

Or have I got that wrong?
By its very definition, anyone can self-certify. But it is whether that certificate carries weight within the field or industry of its scope. Let's say 9 others on the forum self-certified tonight as well as Clean Solar Solutions.

A large solar installer is after partnering with a company. He knows we are all self-certified, but knows Clean Solar Solutions were the very first professional solar cleaning company in the UK and have cleaned more panels than anyone else. He knows they are the only ones he has seen at a trade show here or abroad. He knows they are also the chosen partner of some of the UK's main players in the solar industry. He knows the MD of the company is given seminar parts at national shows. He knows they have a number of UK-firsts tucked under their belt and have have tackled some of the UK's most prestigious and difficult sites. He also knows they offer a training course and no one can clean panels on his sites without their attending this course.

Remember, all are self-certified, but if you were the solar installer, who would you choose to partner with?

I had to build a REPUTATION and BRAND within the industry before I could accomplish what I'm accomplishing with Clean Solar Solutions today. THAT'S why our certificate carries value, despite it being self-certified.

Re: Subcontractors Needed In These Areas For Immediate Work
« Reply #119 on: September 27, 2015, 09:13:36 pm »
Am out mate  :-[

I have work coming out my ears,  and cannot commit to what is required.

But best of luck to those that do get the opportunity.
No worries Matt. But thanks for the enquiry and I'm sure we could have worked around the requirements do some of your other clients.  ;) Sounds like you have a good number anyway. :)