[paulben]

mine went up not a lot . Will recheck still have some somewhere .

[paulben]

That's me off on holiday for 2 weeks then  be back with renewed vigour

[SeanK]

That's me off on holiday for 2 weeks then  be back with renewed vigour

Enjoy your holiday Paul, there's no hurry on releasing Vigour on to the market, better to do it in the middle of winter
when bird poo is easier to remove and there will be very little snail trails on the glass.
We can then say its Vigour doing the work and our suckers I mean customers will be non the wiser.

[Jonny 87]

That's me off on holiday for 2 weeks then  be back with renewed vigour

Enjoy your holiday Paul, there's no hurry on releasing Vigour on to the market, better to do it in the middle of winter
when bird poo is easier to remove and there will be very little snail trails on the glass.
We can then say its Vigour doing the work and our suckers I mean customers will be non the wiser.

Come on Sean.

I know you live and work in Ireland but please have more faith in your nation, they wouldn't fall for such a thing.

I love the Irish.   

[Gerald Ash]

There is a fact people are forgetting here. If you set out with faith in the product you will see the benefits. If you approach with cynicism then you will perceive no advantage.
 One of my customers didn`t like it the first time I used it and asked me not to use it. I still use it and she says it`s so much better without it.
     Those of you who like it, including myself, stick with it. Those who think it`s rubbish then don`t buy it, don`t use it and accept that you have an opinion that some people disagree with.
 My opinion is it does help with glide, it does leave an enhanced shine and if you pre-soak bird muck it comes off easier.
That`s only my opinion.

[AuRavelling79]

There is a fact people are forgetting here. If you set out with faith in the product you will see the benefits. If you approach with cynicism then you will perceive no advantage.
 One of my customers didn`t like it the first time I used it and asked me not to use it. I still use it and she says it`s so much better without it.
     Those of you who like it, including myself, stick with it. Those who think it`s rubbish then don`t buy it, don`t use it and accept that you have an opinion that some people disagree with.
 My opinion is it does help with glide, it does leave an enhanced shine and if you pre-soak bird muck it comes off easier.
That`s only my opinion.

Hi Gerald, may I ask about the bit in red; what didn't your customer like?

[SeanK]

That's me off on holiday for 2 weeks then  be back with renewed vigour

Enjoy your holiday Paul, there's no hurry on releasing Vigour on to the market, better to do it in the middle of winter
when bird poo is easier to remove and there will be very little snail trails on the glass.
We can then say its Vigour doing the work and our suckers I mean customers will be non the wiser.

Come on Sean.

I know you live and work in Ireland but please have more faith in your nation, they wouldn't fall for such a thing.

I love the Irish.   

Fall for what ? Vigour works you just need to have faith in it.

[SeanK]

There is a fact people are forgetting here. If you set out with faith in the product you will see the benefits. If you approach with cynicism then you will perceive no advantage.
 One of my customers didn`t like it the first time I used it and asked me not to use it. I still use it and she says it`s so much better without it.
     Those of you who like it, including myself, stick with it. Those who think it`s rubbish then don`t buy it, don`t use it and accept that you have an opinion that some people disagree with.
 My opinion is it does help with glide, it does leave an enhanced shine and if you pre-soak bird muck it comes off easier.
That`s only my opinion.

Gerard the fact is it does none of what you have stated, its a product designed to snare inexperienced newbie windows
cleaners into believing they cant clean without it.
Even if you have never used the product this is clearly visible in the way they sell and market it.
You talk about it removing bird muck easier yet you didn't come forward and recommend it when somebody was having
problems with  bird muck on their windows in a post a few months back and neither did any of the sellers, strange that one.

[ChumBucket]

There is a fact people are forgetting here. If you set out with faith in the product you will see the benefits. If you approach with cynicism then you will perceive no advantage.
 One of my customers didn`t like it the first time I used it and asked me not to use it. I still use it and she says it`s so much better without it.
     Those of you who like it, including myself, stick with it. Those who think it`s rubbish then don`t buy it, don`t use it and accept that you have an opinion that some people disagree with.
 My opinion is it does help with glide, it does leave an enhanced shine and if you pre-soak bird muck it comes off easier.
That`s only my opinion.

 

[Rich Wilts]

Exactly 

[kempy]

It's all about opinions . Gerald likes it as do many others .
SeanK etc just don't like it and fair enough . Just a shame you devote so much time in expressing this .
The forum is good for persons to seek advice and get educated on various products out there such as poles , RO etc .

[Positivity]

These Vision posts are nearly as good as the Magica Go One posts!!!!
Some people are so easy to wind up!!!

[Clever Forum Name]

These Vision posts are nearly as good as the Magica Go One posts!!!!
Some people are so easy to wind up!!!

What can you possibly mean 

[dd]

These Vision posts are nearly as good as the Magica Go One posts!!!!
Some people are so easy to wind up!!!

When people use the forum just to wind people up IMO it is a pointless exercise and one reason some leave/do not bother to post.

[Tom White]

Yes I was warned of troll  crap lol they were right  Small minded window cleaners lol

lol

[Clever Forum Name]

These Vision posts are nearly as good as the Magica Go One posts!!!!
Some people are so easy to wind up!!!

When people use the forum just to wind people up IMO it is a pointless exercise and one reason some leave/do not bother to post.

After Jake left it was game over for the forum. It will just be a downward spiral

[SeanK]

It's all about opinions . Gerald likes it as do many others .
SeanK etc just don't like it and fair enough . Just a shame you devote so much time in expressing this .
The forum is good for persons to seek advice and get educated on various products out there such as poles , RO etc .

There's no shame in giving out advice if you believe it helps others no matter how much time you spend doing it.
What people do with that advice is up to them.

[kempy]

Everyone likes different products and different ways of working .

[duncan h]

If you don't like it, SHUT UP. Getting boring now. I use it, Its no miracle thing, but I like it better than just pure....now I am used to it

[SeanK]

If you don't like it, SHUT UP. Getting boring now. I use it, Its no miracle thing, but I like it better than just pure....now I am used to it

You know what I do when something I read bores me ? I stop reading it or commenting on it, so if it says Vision or additive stay clear.
There you go, some helpful advice.