[Rich Wilts]

So why hasn't Terry posted since 2012, was it dying back then as well ?

Its dying because we don't bow down and praise his worthiness, being that he's been on Blue Peter.

[kempy]

Think the above says it all .
Amazed .
Well done

[8weekly]

So why hasn't Terry posted since 2012, was it dying back then as well ?

Its dying because we don't bow down and praise his worthiness, being that he's been on Blue Peter.

I'll bet he didn't try to promote dodgy products on the BBC. Or swear... 

[AuRavelling79]

A Blue Peter badge is great! Better than an O.B.E. because it gets awarded for real achievement.

 

[SeanK]

Yes we have a guy who couldn't be bothered to help or offer advice since 2012 but out of the goodness of his heart
felt the need to inform us that we would all be better off with Vision in our tanks.
I seriously don't know why we didn't fall for that one.

[dazmond]

kempy  some guys dont like the "vision" additive.you cant please everyone all of the time!dont allow yourself to get annoyed about it.some will,some wont.

as for sean k its obvious to the more intelligent window cleaners on here that he s got one hell of a chip on his shoulder and could argue with himself in an empty room!

i use it and like it and will continue to use it.

i never take what sean k says to heart!i just laugh!

when he said my credibility had taken a nosedive over me using vision..........well what can i say?do you honestly think i give a **** what he thinks?NO NOT AT ALL!!

anyone on here who moans about others having a dig at them should really stop moaning and leave or think what they can contribute positively to the forum and ignore the trolls,sad individuals and make it a better place.

have a great day chaps.i better get off to work now and scratch a living together!

[Frankybadboy]

I can see it on the Vision website.

'As endorsed by Terry 'Turbo' Burrows - the fastest window cleaner in his own lunch-box'.


I wonder how much he's getting for that

Nothing just my thoughts

How much has this site gone down the pan ,full of keyboard warriors,run by jumped up little control freaks ,utter joke lol ,Admins psml ..lol  go (modded; no swearing please) yourself the lot of you .goodbye .

Terry probably gone back to the fb page where the trolls are bigger and the fact he got blokes licking his big fat aSs

[cgh window cleaning]

If vision does what it is meant to, an easy way to market it would be images showing a clear difference of a bit of glass, split down the middle, one side regular clean, the other vision.

Simple, effective and instant.

Or, video of 2 identical houses, cleaned by the same cleaner, one 30% faster.

Basically anything to promote the claims that are made about the product.

Would negate the arguments about what it does and doesn't do.

Agree with this .I have yet to try vision but from what I have seen it has been a lot of wild claims and not much fact.
If vision really can improve productivity and speed by up to 30%  and make periodic cleans faster and can be proven then I would be approaching some of the bigger companies.
Nationwide have over 200 window cleaners out a day and turnover 10million I'm sure if you can speed them up and increase revenue by even 10% they would place a very large order as would any of the large companies like them or mitie,ocs,etc.
To prove the claims really would silence the vision lynch mob.
All the best with your product.
craig

[SeanK]

kempy  some guys dont like the "vision" additive.you cant please everyone all of the time!dont allow yourself to get annoyed about it.some will,some wont.

as for sean k its obvious to the more intelligent window cleaners on here that he s got one hell of a chip on his shoulder and could argue with himself in an empty room!

i use it and like it and will continue to use it.

i never take what sean k says to heart!i just laugh!

when he said my credibility had taken a nosedive over me using vision..........well what can i say?do you honestly think i give a **** what he thinks?NO NOT AT ALL!!

anyone on here who moans about others having a dig at them should really stop moaning and leave or think what they can contribute positively to the forum and ignore the trolls,sad individuals and make it a better place.

have a great day chaps.i better get off to work now and scratch a living together!

When you say the more intelligent window cleaners on here are talking about the ones who can achieve the same results
without putting a silly gimmick in their tanks.

[gary999]

All this arguing about vision in pure is pointless to me  personally,  when all I need
is my 30ppm tap water to do the  job

[SeanK]

By the way Dazmond I didn't say your credibility had taken a nose dive because you use Vision I said it because of your
review.
In other words since starting to use Vision you have reduced the amount of spotting that you get on your windows
but still haven't got rid of it.
If you cant see how silly that reads then fair enough.
A few years back if had said it was impossible to clean windows using wfp without leaving spots and runs, you would have been
one of the first in a long list to shoot me down.

Ps, Dazmond your still one of my favourites on here.

[SeanK]

All this arguing about vision in pure is pointless to me  personally,  when all I need
is my 30ppm tap water to do the  job

Yes but your not a true wfp,er as you blade the glass afterwards.

[Gerald Ash]

There is a fact people are forgetting here. If you set out with faith in the product you will see the benefits. If you approach with cynicism then you will perceive no advantage.
 One of my customers didn`t like it the first time I used it and asked me not to use it. I still use it and she says it`s so much better without it.
     Those of you who like it, including myself, stick with it. Those who think it`s rubbish then don`t buy it, don`t use it and accept that you have an opinion that some people disagree with.
 My opinion is it does help with glide, it does leave an enhanced shine and if you pre-soak bird muck it comes off easier.
That`s only my opinion.

Gerard the fact is it does none of what you have stated, its a product designed to snare inexperienced newbie windows
cleaners into believing they cant clean without it.
Even if you have never used the product this is clearly visible in the way they sell and market it.
You talk about it removing bird muck easier yet you didn't come forward and recommend it when somebody was having
problems with  bird muck on their windows in a post a few months back and neither did any of the sellers, strange that one.

Again my perceptions are that it does work. Bird muck changes throughout the year, depending on what they feed on, to a certain degree.
  I do clean without it sometimes and I do think the shine is less.
  I`m not attacking anyone but if you think it won`t work you will likely look at the benefits less favourable.
 I am inexperienced compared to many on here but I hope not naive.
  As to what the customer did`nt like. I told her we had this new additive which we`re trying. Immediately she said she didn`t like the idea but will give her opinion. On my return she said it didn`t look as good and not to use it. I still use it and she thinks it`s much better without. It`s all about perception.

On the subject of spotting I`m confused. If the windows have spotting they are not clean. The goal I aim for is 100% optical clarity and I tell customers to check all windows after they dry and to contact me if there are any marks.  Five complaints in over two years plus unknown number of funny beggars who didn`t tell me.
Anyway bored now.

[gary999]

All this arguing about vision in pure is pointless to me  personally,  when all I need
is my 30ppm tap water to do the  job

Yes but your not a true wfp,er as you blade the glass afterwards.

Yep im just a lowly Window  cleaner

[kempy]

Oh dear , ive never said everyone would like it . But majority have .
Persons buy who like it and have reordered . The ones that don't like it won't buy again . Simple .

[Dave Willis]

This reminds me very much of when Alex had a 'stalker' like Sean.
Every time someone mentioned Gardiners poles this pillock would pop up and regularly rubbish the clamps, rubbish the brushes and support Tekbuck. In the end he even accused Gardiners of buying their poles from China and went to the trouble of buying his own and publishing the internet address right under Alex's nose - proper little twerp.
Alex being professional like he is responded in a most dignified way and never once lost his cool even sending more clamps out and offering to take the pole back for inspection. Obviously he was too much of a troll to contact Gardiners direct and seemed to want to ruin their reputation.
Really dragged the forum down.

If only I could remember his name ................................

[dazmond]

vision IMO DOES reduce runs from SOME top rubber seals.its seems to "hang" thus preventing the runs.

the shine it leaves when dry is better than pure alone.

its helps water sheet better on some hydrophobic windows IMO.esp when your on your 3rd or 4th visit using vision

it costs me around 25p a day to use vision every day which works out at roughly a fiver a month.i can live with that.

[Clever Forum Name]

vision IMO DOES reduce runs from SOME top rubber seals.its seems to "hang" thus preventing the runs.

the shine it leaves when dry is better than pure alone.

its helps water sheet better on some hydrophobic windows IMO.esp when your on your 3rd or 4th visit using vision

it costs me around 25p a day to use vision every day which works out at roughly a fiver a month.i can live with that.

This what i explained a few months ago. Once windows have been cleaned a few time, the water hangs around on the black seal and dries. It doesnt dribble down.

For me the biggest asset now is finger prints. Pure water is pathetic on them, with vision. Quick scrub and BANG the finger prints are gone.

[8weekly]

All this arguing about vision in pure is pointless to me  personally,  when all I need
is my 30ppm tap water to do the  job

... and a squeegee. 

[SeanK]

vision IMO DOES reduce runs from SOME top rubber seals.its seems to "hang" thus preventing the runs.

the shine it leaves when dry is better than pure alone.

its helps water sheet better on some hydrophobic windows IMO.esp when your on your 3rd or 4th visit using vision

it costs me around 25p a day to use vision every day which works out at roughly a fiver a month.i can live with that.

This what i explained a few months ago. Once windows have been cleaned a few time, the water hangs around on the black seal and dries. It doesnt dribble down.

For me the biggest asset now is finger prints. Pure water is pathetic on them, with vision. Quick scrub and BANG the finger prints are gone.

This is why I love these posts, in all the years I have been cleaning using pure I have yet to have a problem with finger
prints.
Talk about clutching at straws.