[SeanK]

Sorry Mick but lets take your post for an example, how many low skilled jobs could get £400 a day
in any part of the country north or south ?
How many people would jump at window cleaning if the money was that good or even half as good ?
I mean its no longer a dangerous way to earn a living which was part of the reason that a lot of people
would have never even considered doing it for a living.
Mick Kent and others on here seem to live in a world where there's gold in window cleaning but the rest of the
population haven't caught on to this fact.
I mean look closer at his post, all you would need to do is work 20 hours a week to earn 50 grand or more a year.
Or one and a half days a week to more than beat the U.K. average yearly wage.

It isn't a low skilled job. You are running a business. Your thinking holds you back.

What qualifications do you need to clean windows ?
Do you need years of training in order to clean windows ?
Its a low skilled job that anybody could get into with little or no capital you know it and I know it.
Yes it does take a little more skill to employ but even that isn't rocket science.
Its not thinking that holds me back its reality.

[Smudger]

[quote author=SeanK link=topic=189775.msg1637955#msg1637955 date=1413721357
I mean look closer at his post, all you would need to do is work 20 hours a week to earn 50 grand or more a year.
Or one and a half days a week to more than beat the U.K. average yearly wage.
[/quote]

And your point is ?
I fear your getting confused between turn over and profit, a paye entitles you to 28 days holiday, sometimes full sick pay, employer in contributions no running costs

As a buisness you need to cover non working days like sick and holidays etc..

People who don't grasp this under price and can't move forward they price and do work in the same manner as paye not allowing for the add ons.

And lots don't need to price as a biz and are completely happy earning £150 per day and cover their household bills and time off ( some have other income from partners and previous jobs etc )

Darran

[cgh window cleaning]

I'm surprised how many domestic window cleaners must be vat registered or nearly at that point.
For those that are
How did your customers take the increase or did you absorb the vat?

[SeanK]

[quote author=SeanK link=topic=189775.msg1637955#msg1637955 date=1413721357
I mean look closer at his post, all you would need to do is work 20 hours a week to earn 50 grand or more a year.
Or one and a half days a week to more than beat the U.K. average yearly wage.

And your point is ?
I fear your getting confused between turn over and profit, a paye entitles you to 28 days holiday, sometimes full sick pay, employer in contributions no running costs

As a buisness you need to cover non working days like sick and holidays etc..

People who don't grasp this under price and can't move forward they price and do work in the same manner as paye not allowing for the add ons.

And lots don't need to price as a biz and are completely happy earning £150 per day and cover their household bills and time off ( some have other income from partners and previous jobs etc )

Darran
[/quote]

My point is if you where to believe these type of posts then you could make 30 grand a year for working 75 days or
15 weeks a year.
Even if you take 5 grand off for expenses that would give you just under £500 a week, so you would get
37 weeks paid holidays.
I cant believe that so many on here cant spot the B.S.

[gary999]

House 1 £10

House 2 £15

Ive got quite a few of number 2 type houses on new estates wish I had
more absolute doddle to clean

[Smudger]

Everything gets polarised on here, are we talking 1 man of 2 men for that figure, theoretically you could do these figures, could they be do 5 days a week by one man, yes if you had every house in the street every day you go out to clean.

We are thousands of different businesses on a forum, all with different ambitions, targets methods of working, when I started 5 years ago, not only had I never heard of an applicator but truly thought a window cleaner could never earn more then 80 quid a day tops ( oh how wrong was I ) back then FWC were stating you should be getting £30 p/h - 5 years on even with low inflation rates equals a rate of £35 p/h


£30k is not a big sum, less expenses less tax. For running a biz

Darran

[supernova77]

My point is if you where to believe these type of posts then you could make 30 grand a year for working 75 days or
15 weeks a year.
Even if you take 5 grand off for expenses that would give you just under £500 a week, so you would get
37 weeks paid holidays.
I cant believe that so many on here cant spot the B.S.

Where have you got this figure £400 a day from

[Sean Dyer]

If £400 a day in 5 easy hours is your reality of window cleaning mick then fair play to you , but trust me , despite what everyone claims on here , its a very small minority knocking them figures out consistently , and definitely not in 5 easy hours a day

[Sean Dyer]

Everything gets polarised on here, are we talking 1 man of 2 men for that figure, theoretically you could do these figures, could they be do 5 days a week by one man, yes if you had every house in the street every day you go out to clean.

We are thousands of different businesses on a forum, all with different ambitions, targets methods of working, when I started 5 years ago, not only had I never heard of an applicator but truly thought a window cleaner could never earn more then 80 quid a day tops ( oh how wrong was I ) back then FWC were stating you should be getting £30 p/h - 5 years on even with low inflation rates equals a rate of £35 p/h


£30k is not a big sum, less expenses less tax. For running a biz

Darran

I averaged my hourly rate out for last week and it was £35.70 per hr
My missus helps me the odd day to, cleaning easy windows trad and posting the notes / collecting the money
PS thats from starting up at first job and packing away at the last

[SeanK]

My point is if you where to believe these type of posts then you could make 30 grand a year for working 75 days or
15 weeks a year.
Even if you take 5 grand off for expenses that would give you just under £500 a week, so you would get
37 weeks paid holidays.
I cant believe that so many on here cant spot the B.S.

Where have you got this figure £400 a day from

Mick Kents post on the previous page 20 £20 properties

[SeanK]

If £400 a day in 5 easy hours is your reality of window cleaning mick then fair play to you , but trust me , despite what everyone claims on here , its a very small minority knocking them figures out consistently , and definitely not in 5 easy hours a day

I would gamble everything I own that there aren't any on a domestic run, some might do it once in a while with the right job
like working in a millionaires gated property, but most guys on big money make it through employing.
Put it this way if that was the sort of money to be made would there be any available properties left for new starts I think not.

[Smudger]

But as we all know mick is not only the canvassing God of the uk he earns £180 p/h cleaning

Quote mick Kent

Whats the point doing a £25 house then pack away to drive 5 mins away to do another £25 houses when you can do 6 £10 fronts all in same road from 1 spot taking less than 20 mins??.


Face it Sean, were no match for this stud muffin of the window cleaning world

Darran

[Sean Dyer]

But as we all know mick is not only the canvassing God of the uk he earns £180 p/h cleaning

Quote mick Kent

Whats the point doing a £25 house then pack away to drive 5 mins away to do another £25 houses when you can do 6 £10 fronts all in same road from 1 spot taking less than 20 mins??.


Face it Sean, were no match for this stud muffin of the window cleaning world

Darran

 Im surprised he convinces row after row of people there back windows arent worth cleaning

[Smudger]

But he does !!


And who are we to argue or doubt such great results...


If your happy with your prices and work it does not matter a flying fig what others do or claim.

Darran

[Sean Dyer]

I would gamble everything I own that there aren't any on a domestic run, some might do it once in a while with the right job
like working in a millionaires gated property, but most guys on big money make it through employing.
Put it this way if that was the sort of money to be made would there be any available properties left for new starts I think not.
[/quote]

I reckon if you had been in business long enough in the right area then some guys may be getting close , and definitely with help, staff , id be wanting close to that but then that isnt the same is it ?.. But it really isnt the reality of window cleaning for 99.9% in the uk !

If you are doing £200 day in and out week in and out id be impressed ! Thats much more likely and where people should probably be looking as a realistic aim if they aren't already there, working alone, sure you can do more on days , but as an average i bet theres still not many doing that, and none declaring it to the taxman haha

Trouble on here is people arent realistic , they have one good day a month where they earn super dooper money and forget all the days they do £80 because they started late and then it rained or they just couldnt be bothered
or where they underpriced and havent put them up yet but still have to clean them as they dont have enough work to turn it down and need the money so can only do £20 an hr that day

Im sure someone will come along now and laugh at the idea of £200 a day being small change and you shouldnt get out of bed for less than £300  , but ive been in this game long enough now to know the truth , and i dont know personally any window cleaner on his own doing anymore than that , most are averaging half or less
... i had that much work on my books once but due to my own poor ethic and alot of it being hard work i never often got round in 4 weeks, now i have less due to culling and my hourly rate is much higher but i need more work now

Dont pay much attention to the b£$llocks on here if you are new , just set yourself an hourly rate/day rate you think is achievable and go for it consistently
I know theres a few people who are the exception to the rule but i reckon im on the money when it comes to sole traders

Obviously i dont include Mick as he is smashing that before dinner

PS sorry to original poster , as the thread has been de railed ... the original idea of showing how much you charge is good , it just annoys me reading some of the rubbish about days earnings

[groundhog]

Why do some on here get so worked up when someone claims to be running a successful profit making business? We are running businesses you know, not just giving ourselves a job!!  Do you need to be qualified to clean windows.... No you don't, but neither did my brother in law need any qualifications to set up and run his mobile phone business, but that didn't stop him from becoming a multi millionaire from doing it!! Don't just assume that because someone claims to be doing something better, and more profitably than you that they must be lying, let's.try to learn from one another, this game is a business and we need to do it as profitably as possible IMO!

[groundhog]

yeh true ... i get that theres a north south difference but i dont think its as pronounced as everyone thinks as theres affluent areas everywhere ... I get the same prices in affluent areas as i do in Oldham where i live

How you can justify anymore than £15, £20 max if its in some gold plated estate? for that first house ? 10 windows and 2 doors?

If your pricing was more realistic alot of you would have more compact work and save money not driving huge distances between the mugs paying you these ridiculous sums !

Cleaning £400 a day is only 20x£20 houses or 30x£15 houses.
Guys who have full rounds who havnt shy'd away from price rising should be able to hit decent numbers if working a full day! If working at a normal steady lace of 4 houses an hour then thats 5 hours to clean £400, Even if slow doing 3 houses an hour at £20 a house in 7 hours thats £420.
Maybe not everyday due to weather but when its a clear normal day i think everyone of us are capable of cleaning 20 plus normal sized houses a day so if you have half decent prices then it is quite doable.

You are right Mick, we have disagreed on here before, but we are singing from the same hymn sheet here! But I don't think that anyone can hit these kind of figures, you have to have the right mindset, you have to be prepared to price right and stick to it, and you have to be capable of working very hard and efficiently all day everyday, and of most importantly you need to be very good at time management! Most would not be prepared to work hard enough and make the sacrifices necessary to achieve this kind of profit, let alone have the level of fitness required to carry it out! I know because I have had quite a lot of people work for me, and nobody has ever been able to come close to keeping up with me, and most have only lasted a week or so! So tonight I am raising a glass to the motivated super fit hard working window cleaners of this world like Mick Kent and me!!  

[tlwcs]

yeh true ... i get that theres a north south difference but i dont think its as pronounced as everyone thinks as theres affluent areas everywhere ... I get the same prices in affluent areas as i do in Oldham where i live

How you can justify anymore than £15, £20 max if its in some gold plated estate? for that first house ? 10 windows and 2 doors?

If your pricing was more realistic alot of you would have more compact work and save money not driving huge distances between the mugs paying you these ridiculous sums !

Cleaning £400 a day is only 20x£20 houses or 30x£15 houses.
Guys who have full rounds who havnt shy'd away from price rising should be able to hit decent numbers if working a full day! If working at a normal steady lace of 4 houses an hour then thats 5 hours to clean £400, Even if slow doing 3 houses an hour at £20 a house in 7 hours thats £420.
Maybe not everyday due to weather but when its a clear normal day i think everyone of us are capable of cleaning 20 plus normal sized houses a day so if you have half decent prices then it is quite doable.

You are right Mick, we have disagreed on here before, but we are singing from the same hymn sheet here! But I don't think that anyone can hit these kind of figures, you have to have the right mindset, you have to be prepared to price right and stick to it, and you have to be capable of working very hard and efficiently all day everyday, and of most importantly you need to be very good at time management! Most would not be prepared to work hard enough and make the sacrifices necessary to achieve this kind of profit, let alone have the level of fitness required to carry it out! I know because I have had quite a lot of people work for me, and nobody has ever been able to come close to keeping up with me, and most have only lasted a week or so! So tonight I am raising a glass to the motivated super fit hard working window cleaners of this world like Mick Kent and me!!  

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[Sean Dyer]

I have never said it isn't doable..
I agree with you
I just don't think it's the reality for the majority ! Where have I said it's not possible!?

[8weekly]

If £400 a day in 5 easy hours is your reality of window cleaning mick then fair play to you , but trust me , despite what everyone claims on here , its a very small minority knocking them figures out consistently , and definitely not in 5 easy hours a day

I would gamble everything I own that there aren't any on a domestic run, some might do it once in a while with the right job
like working in a millionaires gated property, but most guys on big money make it through employing.
Put it this way if that was the sort of money to be made would there be any available properties left for new starts I think not.

Sean, when I started I bumped into a window cleaner like you and he said to me, "no one's ever going to pay more than a fiver to clean that". You remind me of him. I charge 4x that for similar properties.