[Clever Forum Name]

I would gamble everything I own that there aren't any on a domestic run, some might do it once in a while with the right job
like working in a millionaires gated property, but most guys on big money make it through employing.
Put it this way if that was the sort of money to be made would there be any available properties left for new starts I think not.

I reckon if you had been in business long enough in the right area then some guys may be getting close , and definitely with help, staff , id be wanting close to that but then that isnt the same is it ?.. But it really isnt the reality of window cleaning for 99.9% in the uk !

If you are doing £200 day in and out week in and out id be impressed ! Thats much more likely and where people should probably be looking as a realistic aim if they aren't already there, working alone, sure you can do more on days , but as an average i bet theres still not many doing that, and none declaring it to the taxman haha

Trouble on here is people arent realistic , they have one good day a month where they earn super dooper money and forget all the days they do £80 because they started late and then it rained or they just couldnt be bothered
or where they underpriced and havent put them up yet but still have to clean them as they dont have enough work to turn it down and need the money so can only do £20 an hr that day

Im sure someone will come along now and laugh at the idea of £200 a day being small change and you shouldnt get out of bed for less than £300  , but ive been in this game long enough now to know the truth , and i dont know personally any window cleaner on his own doing anymore than that , most are averaging half or less
... i had that much work on my books once but due to my own poor ethic and alot of it being hard work i never often got round in 4 weeks, now i have less due to culling and my hourly rate is much higher but i need more work now

Dont pay much attention to the b£$llocks on here if you are new , just set yourself an hourly rate/day rate you think is achievable and go for it consistently
I know theres a few people who are the exception to the rule but i reckon im on the money when it comes to sole traders

Obviously i dont include Mick as he is smashing that before dinner

PS sorry to original poster , as the thread has been de railed ... the original idea of showing how much you charge is good , it just annoys me reading some of the rubbish about days earnings
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Great post. A lot of cleaners get confused with average day and best day.

[groundhog]

I have never said it isn't doable..
I agree with you
I just don't think it's the reality for the majority ! Where have I said it's not possible!?

Absolutely! It is definitely not the reality for the majority! But don't knock the guys who are capable of this kind of achievement, instead be thankful that they take the time time to post on here, and try to learn something from them!

[SeanK]

If £400 a day in 5 easy hours is your reality of window cleaning mick then fair play to you , but trust me , despite what everyone claims on here , its a very small minority knocking them figures out consistently , and definitely not in 5 easy hours a day

I would gamble everything I own that there aren't any on a domestic run, some might do it once in a while with the right job
like working in a millionaires gated property, but most guys on big money make it through employing.
Put it this way if that was the sort of money to be made would there be any available properties left for new starts I think not.

Sean, when I started I bumped into a window cleaner like you and he said to me, "no one's ever going to pay more than a fiver to clean that". You remind me of him. I charge 4x that for similar properties.

Why is he like me ? have I said what anybody can get or charge per property ? its no on both counts, but what I can do is
look at a post and see when it doesn't add up.
There's a lot of difference in thinking that somebody cant get more than £5 for a property than thinking its the norm to
make £400 a day cleaning windows working on your own.

[gary999]

yeh true ... i get that theres a north south difference but i dont think its as pronounced as everyone thinks as theres affluent areas everywhere ... I get the same prices in affluent areas as i do in Oldham where i live

How you can justify anymore than £15, £20 max if its in some gold plated estate? for that first house ? 10 windows and 2 doors?

If your pricing was more realistic alot of you would have more compact work and save money not driving huge distances between the mugs paying you these ridiculous sums !

Cleaning £400 a day is only 20x£20 houses or 30x£15 houses.
Guys who have full rounds who havnt shy'd away from price rising should be able to hit decent numbers if working a full day! If working at a normal steady lace of 4 houses an hour then thats 5 hours to clean £400, Even if slow doing 3 houses an hour at £20 a house in 7 hours thats £420.
Maybe not everyday due to weather but when its a clear normal day i think everyone of us are capable of cleaning 20 plus normal sized houses a day so if you have half decent prices then it is quite doable.

You are right Mick, we have disagreed on here before, but we are singing from the same hymn sheet here! But I don't think that anyone can hit these kind of figures, you have to have the right mindset, you have to be prepared to price right and stick to it, and you have to be capable of working very hard and efficiently all day everyday, and of most importantly you need to be very good at time management! Most would not be prepared to work hard enough and make the sacrifices necessary to achieve this kind of profit, let alone have the level of fitness required to carry it out! I know because I have had quite a lot of people work for me, and nobody has ever been able to come close to keeping up with me, and most have only lasted a week or so! So tonight I am raising a glass to the motivated super fit hard working window cleaners of this world like Mick Kent and me!!  

Make your mind up who you are talking to hoggy, it was mick hay not long back

[gary999]

I would gamble everything I own that there aren't any on a domestic run, some might do it once in a while with the right job
like working in a millionaires gated property, but most guys on big money make it through employing.
Put it this way if that was the sort of money to be made would there be any available properties left for new starts I think not.

I reckon if you had been in business long enough in the right area then some guys may be getting close , and definitely with help, staff , id be wanting close to that but then that isnt the same is it ?.. But it really isnt the reality of window cleaning for 99.9% in the uk !

If you are doing £200 day in and out week in and out id be impressed ! Thats much more likely and where people should probably be looking as a realistic aim if they aren't already there, working alone, sure you can do more on days , but as an average i bet theres still not many doing that, and none declaring it to the taxman haha

Trouble on here is people arent realistic , they have one good day a month where they earn super dooper money and forget all the days they do £80 because they started late and then it rained or they just couldnt be bothered
or where they underpriced and havent put them up yet but still have to clean them as they dont have enough work to turn it down and need the money so can only do £20 an hr that day

Im sure someone will come along now and laugh at the idea of £200 a day being small change and you shouldnt get out of bed for less than £300  , but ive been in this game long enough now to know the truth , and i dont know personally any window cleaner on his own doing anymore than that , most are averaging half or less
... i had that much work on my books once but due to my own poor ethic and alot of it being hard work i never often got round in 4 weeks, now i have less due to culling and my hourly rate is much higher but i need more work now

Dont pay much attention to the b£$llocks on here if you are new , just set yourself an hourly rate/day rate you think is achievable and go for it consistently
I know theres a few people who are the exception to the rule but i reckon im on the money when it comes to sole traders

Obviously i dont include Mick as he is smashing that before dinner

PS sorry to original poster , as the thread has been de railed ... the original idea of showing how much you charge is good , it just annoys me reading some of the rubbish about days earnings

Great post. A lot of cleaners get confused with average day and best day.
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bloody hell PureI didn't know you could concentrate long enough to write
such a long post

Decent read though

[SeanK]

I have never said it isn't doable..
I agree with you
I just don't think it's the reality for the majority ! Where have I said it's not possible!?

Absolutely! It is definitely not the reality for the majority! But don't knock the guys who are capable of this kind of achievement, instead be thankful that they take the time time to post on here, and try to learn something from them!

Be thankful for what ? that some guy who happens to work in an affluent area has come on here and boasted that he has achieved
something that's not achievable by the majority.

[Sean Dyer]

I have never said it isn't doable..
I agree with you
I just don't think it's the reality for the majority ! Where have I said it's not possible!?

Absolutely! It is definitely not the reality for the majority! But don't knock the guys who are capable of this kind of achievement, instead be thankful that they take the time time to post on here, and try to learn something from them!

In the first two lines of my post i said that anyone doing this job for long enough in the right area could get close to the figures thrown about
So im sure you may be one of them

i was just trying to bring some reality to a thread that has lacked it everybody shouts how much theyve done on a big day but no one ever really admits the reality for most joe bloggs window cleaners , and you can come off here sometimes thinking you are the only one who isnt a window cleaning millionnaire

Also in your post you were saying none of your employees lasted longer than a week trying to keep up with you, they wont ! Its not in there interest - its your business not theres, if your way of earning is to be super fit and move extremely quick all day you will be the only one who can do that and who wants to do that , and it wont be sustainable ie you will get old and tired

[Clever Forum Name]

I would gamble everything I own that there aren't any on a domestic run, some might do it once in a while with the right job
like working in a millionaires gated property, but most guys on big money make it through employing.
Put it this way if that was the sort of money to be made would there be any available properties left for new starts I think not.

I reckon if you had been in business long enough in the right area then some guys may be getting close , and definitely with help, staff , id be wanting close to that but then that isnt the same is it ?.. But it really isnt the reality of window cleaning for 99.9% in the uk !

If you are doing £200 day in and out week in and out id be impressed ! Thats much more likely and where people should probably be looking as a realistic aim if they aren't already there, working alone, sure you can do more on days , but as an average i bet theres still not many doing that, and none declaring it to the taxman haha

Trouble on here is people arent realistic , they have one good day a month where they earn super dooper money and forget all the days they do £80 because they started late and then it rained or they just couldnt be bothered
or where they underpriced and havent put them up yet but still have to clean them as they dont have enough work to turn it down and need the money so can only do £20 an hr that day

Im sure someone will come along now and laugh at the idea of £200 a day being small change and you shouldnt get out of bed for less than £300  , but ive been in this game long enough now to know the truth , and i dont know personally any window cleaner on his own doing anymore than that , most are averaging half or less
... i had that much work on my books once but due to my own poor ethic and alot of it being hard work i never often got round in 4 weeks, now i have less due to culling and my hourly rate is much higher but i need more work now

Dont pay much attention to the b£$llocks on here if you are new , just set yourself an hourly rate/day rate you think is achievable and go for it consistently
I know theres a few people who are the exception to the rule but i reckon im on the money when it comes to sole traders

Obviously i dont include Mick as he is smashing that before dinner

PS sorry to original poster , as the thread has been de railed ... the original idea of showing how much you charge is good , it just annoys me reading some of the rubbish about days earnings

Great post. A lot of cleaners get confused with average day and best day.

bloody hell PureI didn't know you could concentrate long enough to write
such a long post

Decent read though
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LMAO. SEAN wrote the long reply. I did two lines at the bottom :p

[Clever Forum Name]

Quotes are not working for me 

[gary999]

And there was me giving you credit

[G.W.C]

yeh true ... i get that theres a north south difference but i dont think its as pronounced as everyone thinks as theres affluent areas everywhere ... I get the same prices in affluent areas as i do in Oldham where i live

How you can justify anymore than £15, £20 max if its in some gold plated estate? for that first house ? 10 windows and 2 doors?

If your pricing was more realistic alot of you would have more compact work and save money not driving huge distances between the mugs paying you these ridiculous sums !

Cleaning £400 a day is only 20x£20 houses or 30x£15 houses.
Guys who have full rounds who havnt shy'd away from price rising should be able to hit decent numbers if working a full day! If working at a normal steady lace of 4 houses an hour then thats 5 hours to clean £400, Even if slow doing 3 houses an hour at £20 a house in 7 hours thats £420.
Maybe not everyday due to weather but when its a clear normal day i think everyone of us are capable of cleaning 20 plus normal sized houses a day so if you have half decent prices then it is quite doable.

You are right Mick, we have disagreed on here before, but we are singing from the same hymn sheet here! But I don't think that anyone can hit these kind of figures, you have to have the right mindset, you have to be prepared to price right and stick to it, and you have to be capable of working very hard and efficiently all day everyday, and of most importantly you need to be very good at time management! Most would not be prepared to work hard enough and make the sacrifices necessary to achieve this kind of profit, let alone have the level of fitness required to carry it out! I know because I have had quite a lot of people work for me, and nobody has ever been able to come close to keeping up with me, and most have only lasted a week or so! So tonight I am raising a glass to the motivated super fit hard working window cleaners of this world like Mick Kent and me!!  

Mick kents built like a pregnant walrus, he aint fit lol

[Sean Dyer]

I didnt wanna mention that as ive never met the guy but im sure he said at some point he was about 18 stone

[Mick Kent]

Wow lads lets get this straight i dont clean £400 a day, id have the raving hump if i only managed that, i clean more £600/£650 a day, i was speaking about the joe average window cleaners out there.
 

[8weekly]

Wow lads lets get this straight i dont clean £400 a day, id have the raving hump if i only managed that, i clean more £600/£650 a day, i was speaking about the joe average window cleaners out there.

You'll have the Seans choking on their bread and dripping. 

[Mick Kent]

And no being a realist i dont clean £400 a day as i only normaly work 9-3! I give myself 30 fronts a day to clean, sometimes more if im playing catchup but rarely less.
You dont have to be fit to manage an easy to run business. Anyway yes im 17stone but at 6ft2 it sits okish lol.
Not sure why some are trying to make me out to be a billy bull as i have worked extreamly hard to get things how i have by following my strict business plan, i used to have a poor priced uncompact business which i sold off and restarted from scratch 3 years ago.
Now watch this space and see how quick i can get a full to the brim commercial round up and running as have all my plan of action set in place.
Im a do'er and not a thinker.

[Mick Kent]

Wow lads lets get this straight i dont clean £400 a day, id have the raving hump if i only managed that, i clean more £600/£650 a day, i was speaking about the joe average window cleaners out there.

You'll have the Seans choking on their bread and dripping. 

Lol i know.
Makes me laugh how when you say how easy things can be done if you set your mind to it, the lazy negative folks always try to put you down.
I have gone from being in mega debt not affording my bills or anything driving an old banger which was t roadworthy getting stressed out from work and taking loads of time off getting depressed where i was going round and round in a skint viscious circle not getting anywhere! And now to no debt, a happy family, a happy life and i drive my dream car. Im not trying to make out im the best thing since sliced bread, im nust saying that it is possible to do well out of this game if you put your all into it being positive making things happen.

[SeanK]

How much do your employees knock out in a day Mick ?

[8weekly]

Wow lads lets get this straight i dont clean £400 a day, id have the raving hump if i only managed that, i clean more £600/£650 a day, i was speaking about the joe average window cleaners out there.

You'll have the Seans choking on their bread and dripping. 

Lol i know.
Makes me laugh how when you say how easy things can be done if you set your mind to it, the lazy negative folks always try to put you down.
I have gone from being in mega debt not affording my bills or anything driving an old banger which was t roadworthy getting stressed out from work and taking loads of time off getting depressed where i was going round and round in a skint viscious circle not getting anywhere! And now to no debt, a happy family, a happy life and i drive my dream car. Im not trying to make out im the best thing since sliced bread, im nust saying that it is possible to do well out of this game if you put your all into it being positive making things happen.

I thought you had a Range Rover?     

[G.W.C]

Wow lads lets get this straight i dont clean £400 a day, id have the raving hump if i only managed that, i clean more £600/£650 a day, i was speaking about the joe average window cleaners out there.

You'll have the Seans choking on their bread and dripping. 

Lol i know.
Makes me laugh how when you say how easy things can be done if you set your mind to it, the lazy negative folks always try to put you down.
I have gone from being in mega debt not affording my bills or anything driving an old banger which was t roadworthy getting stressed out from work and taking loads of time off getting depressed where i was going round and round in a skint viscious circle not getting anywhere! And now to no debt, a happy family, a happy life and i drive my dream car. Im not trying to make out im the best thing since sliced bread, im nust saying that it is possible to do well out of this game if you put your all into it being positive making things happen.

I was joking btw mate lol you have done very well, fair play to ya. I have taken alot of your advice about canvassin and sold boards and it has worked well. I should have built a similair sized round as you in a similair amount of time if things keep going as they are. Then it will be my turn to get called the billy bull pooher lol

[Clever Forum Name]

Rereading the thread and remembering lee Pryor prices for window cleaning.

I think it's probably possible to get some of the prices quoted in Surrey area.

House no1. If you gave that price in say Nottinghamshire there is no way they would accept. I speak to about 3 people almost daily who clean in and around notts and the prices are lower than mine. Well a lot lower.

I just find it weird that if you put your all into it users are saying you can achieve £400 a day on your own. I work in beds and bucks and even speaking to some bull poopters not one of them has ever said £400. One trad guy tells me he does £200 a day and is on a £100 by 12pm which sounds ok until his ex wife told me the real story. Living in a world of make believe.

Doing £200 -£250 day in. Day out. Day in. Day out. Is a mean task in itself.
Doing £400 EVERY day on your own. I would say less than 5% achieve this. Not saying it's impossible. But you need the best area to work in.

People tell me it's hard up north window cleaning. So if they are doing semis for say £7/8 I want £12/15 Surrey is £20-£30. I don't see how it's possible. Even with PMA. You ain't gonna get £25 for a semi in Scotland.