Interested In Advertising? | Contact Us Here
Warning!

 

Welcome to Clean It Up; the UK`s largest cleaning forum with over 34,000 members

 

Please login or register to post and reply to topics.      

 

Forgot your password? Click here

Kev Loomes

  • Posts: 1353
Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« on: April 10, 2006, 09:41:33 pm »
Hi guys

I got a bit fed up with the programme the other day, and when I watched this evenings episode - I got the severe hump >:(

Because they failed to mention professional cleaning - which can help allergy sufferers (and various products that can kill dustmites), I put the question to the Dr on the chat room run by chanel 4 after the show. I asked why our industry has not been mentioned or recognised to help this very problem. I explained that we can kill dustmites with cleaning and with clinically proven treatments - so why were we not given any credit?

Guess what................it never made it onto the viewable chat screen after being submitted (screened by the Ed). WHAT A SURPRISE!

Ian Hare

  • Posts: 101
Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2006, 09:50:29 pm »
Did you seriously expect anything other than to be ignored.  :o

They opted for a entertainment type show, not serious science, and screened out awkward questions on the web chat.   ???
Regards Ian.

Doug Holloway

  • Posts: 3917
Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2006, 08:16:40 am »
Hi Guys,

Didn't see the programme as I was working late ,  but just consider what a minefield it would be to start mentioning products.

There are many 'asthma ' products on the market all claiming to be the best / most effective and there will be many more!

Programmes of this nature tend to be superficial because they are easier to make , you cannot really expect C4 to give you free advertising.It is up to the manufacturers to advertise their products.

Cheers

Doug

stevegunn

Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2006, 08:25:04 am »
So who do we believe the medical people who have studied for years and gained qualifications in their chosen subject asthma or some disgruntled carpet cleaners who have done some research on the internet or be told by a supplier who is selling a product that reduces allergens in the home? The scientists proved in last nights show that the regime followed on the programme showed a significant reduction in the mites so do we not believe them either they had far more sophisticated tools available to them than we do.

steve cardy

  • Posts: 184
Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2006, 08:47:15 am »
Hi steve,
I think it showed that is you make the proper effort to clean it goes along way to reducing the allergens.You could see before the study they werent very clean infact some of them found it novel to dust and get the hoover out more than once a week.There was nothing new in this a good freind whose child has bad asthma has been doing these things for years.

Kev Loomes

  • Posts: 1353
Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2006, 03:05:58 pm »
My point was that it could save people a lot of heartache and money, to get things cleaned/poss treated, as opposed to ripping up carpets, throwing out furniture and spending money on hard flooring.

Surely it would have been cheaper for them if the cleaning industry professionals/experts did their thing i.e. get rid of mites (which is what the whole programme was all about).

Obviously I wasnt expecting a nice suggestion (or free advertising) from the programme makers/doctors to go and use a cleaning company, or use a particular product, but it would have been a good extension of the programme if they at least brielfly showed that there are alternatives out there - especially if someone cannot afford to throw stuff out/rip up carpets & replace - or people who are emotionally attached to things.

So who do we believe the medical people who have studied for years and gained qualifications in their chosen subject asthma or some disgruntled carpet cleaners who have done some research on the internet or be told by a supplier who is selling a product that reduces allergens in the home? The scientists proved in last nights show that the regime followed on the programme showed a significant reduction in the mites so do we not believe them either they had far more sophisticated tools available to them than we do.

STEVE........Just to let you know, the scientists as you are suggesting recommend getting rid of furnishings (old carpets, furniture, clutter etc) - THATS IT! Not that scientific is it - we could actually save people doing this, or have you not thought about it?

Also, Im not a disgruntled carpet cleaner (if you were referring to me), and I havent done some research on the internet. I am asthmatic myself and know what works - Dont think I'll be ripping up me carpets or throwing out my sofas just yet ;D

CARPET KNIGHTS

  • Posts: 883
Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2006, 04:13:13 pm »
So who do we believe the medical people who have studied for years and gained qualifications in their chosen subject asthma or some disgruntled carpet cleaners who have done some research on the internet or be told by a supplier who is selling a product that reduces allergens in the home? The scientists proved in last nights show that the regime followed on the programme showed a significant reduction in the mites so do we not believe them either they had far more sophisticated tools available to them than we do.


Steve

You may say that but at the same time what about the medical people in other countries that have studied for years and gained qualifacations and recommended all of the stuff in debate and then realised that they were wrong and are now recommending totally the opposite.

Again the UK is behind with the times!

Cheers Goron

Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2006, 05:32:31 pm »
...what about the medical people in other countries that have studied for years and gained qualifacations and recommended all of the stuff in debate and then realised that they were wrong and are now recommending totally the opposite...

Goron, interesting statement.  Could you post a link or few to support it or reveal your sours of such info?
Regards,
Arthur

CARPET KNIGHTS

  • Posts: 883
Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2006, 06:07:24 pm »
here is one peice of statistical evidence for you. So that is Sweden. There are many others including Germay and the USA.

Cheers Goron

Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2006, 06:34:41 pm »
here is one peice of statistical evidence for you. So that is Sweden. There are many others including Germay and the USA.

Cheers Goron

The one you have shown has not got a direct link to carpet.  I am sure that if there was a graph showing how pollution has grown over the years then we could say that it was actually pollution which causes allergy etc.

Regards,
Arthur

Spot On cleaning

  • Posts: 478
Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2006, 06:58:42 pm »

Does anybody know the number of Asthma sufferers now compared to say 20 or 30 years ago. Is the problem escalated today because houses are well insulated and centrally heated leaving an ideal breeding ground for dust mites.

Also some children today tend to persue sedatory hobbies rather than playing out and getting dirty like i did when i was a kid, thus building up a resistance to many germs.

In short, what are the medics saying is the increase today caused by?

I think in short, if i suffered from Asthma i would lose the carpets where possible to make daily floor maintenance easier as did somebody i know, and his Asthma is steadily improving.

As i have said before, if this allergy treatment is so effective, then let the licensee put the product on the open market. Regarding mattresses, put a cover on it. Problem solved.

Dave

CARPET KNIGHTS

  • Posts: 883
Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2006, 07:40:39 pm »
I'm sorry Arthur perhaps you are not using your glasses! The example statistic i have shown is directly related to carpet.

Also see www.comebacktocarpets.com


Goron

*paul_moss

  • Posts: 2961
Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2006, 07:51:33 pm »
Goran
Give up mate  ;)
Its like knocking your head against a wall  ::)
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
REMOVED FOR POSTING OFFENSIVE MATERIAL

Spot On cleaning

  • Posts: 478
Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2006, 08:46:35 pm »

Why is nobody answering this question?

If the people who make the allergy treatment are so confident in their products ability, why do they not put the product on general sale?

Surely their aim is the same as everybody elses, to make money and this would be one sure way to do it.

Or is it because the product would then be open for scrutiny which they don't want, instead, making their money through their licence fees and over inflated prices which are passed on to the customer.

As sombody pointed out on here, temperatures over 60 degrees and freezing will kill dustmites, and i would say that the suction of a truck mount in particular would b enough to remove any dust mite eggs. I would like to know the period of time after which a carpet is cleaned in a normal fashion, before the dust mites return.

Dave

Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2006, 09:00:35 pm »
... I would like to know the period of time after which a carpet is cleaned in a normal fashion, before the dust mites return...

according to this study - 3 months

Regards,
Arthur

Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2006, 09:20:57 pm »
I'm sorry Arthur perhaps you are not using your glasses!
I am sorry Goron it is a matter for a common sense not for glasses  ;) 

I am not sure if you have red what I have said:
...if there was a graph showing how pollution has grown over the years then we could say that it was actually pollution which causes allergy etc.

I would also like to add to the above  ::) that in Eastern Europe there is not much use of carpet in houses and offices, but I believe allergies issues are present and on the rise over there as well as here.

...Also see www.comebacktocarpets.com...

The website http://www.comebacktocarpet.com is supported by The Carpet Foundation, it is obvious that they would not try all available options to defend their industry, which I understand is on decline since laminated floor has been introduced to the market.

Finally I would like to say that I am going to start offering carpet cleaning service to my current and new customers, as I think the market is there, however market would not change to satisfy your needs/expectation it is you who should adopt to the market. 

Regards,

Arthur

Mark Roberts

  • Posts: 390
Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2006, 10:00:20 pm »
Those studies are 10 years old Arther and most contradict each other.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=2229844&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum

Dust mites are only part of the problem, I thought that is why the product the lads use has advantages, because it kills mites, polen, mould spores, keratin etc. If it works and people sell it as an add-on then that has got too be good for them, and our industry.

dave401uk

  • Posts: 434
Re: Channel 4/Dust mites this evening
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2006, 10:04:32 pm »
A&J...........you understand wrong.........in fact you just don't seem to understand at all ::) ::)

It is a fact, laminate sales are dropping,in relation to carpet sales, most,if not all of my clients who have had laminate fitted, are now going back to carpet,

Sing from your own hymn sheet and stop looking for other peoples info and posting it as your own

Dave
Its never a pass of the wand,just a master stroke.

Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2006, 10:05:44 pm »
... people sell it as an add-on then that has got too be good for them, and our industry.

I am not trying to dispute it  ;D :

...Finally I would like to say that ...
..market would not change to satisfy your needs/expectation it is you who should adopt to the market...

Derek_Walker

  • Posts: 454
Re: Channel 4/Dustmites this evening
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2006, 10:06:36 pm »
Arthur

I disagree,  customers need educating, once they have been educated you have created a need for that service or product, you then have a market. Nobody would ever buy anything if they did not know it existed.

Derek