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Tom-01

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Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2014, 09:04:33 pm »
That reel hose looks like a nightmare!

Check the for sale section soon there will be two brand new 100m mini bore  Gardiner hot water hoses for sale!  :-\

Jonny 87

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Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2014, 09:05:49 pm »
I think you guys need read the instruction manuals on these heaters.

They say to use outside OR IN A WELL VENTILATED AREA.

A van with a sealed bulkhead or back doors open is very well ventilated.
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ptwt

  • Posts: 80
Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2014, 09:18:07 pm »
I think you guys need read the instruction manuals on these heaters.

They say to use outside OR IN A WELL VENTILATED AREA.

A van with a sealed bulkhead or back doors open is very well ventilated.
If you are that confident that it is safe get a safety check done on it by a gas safe registered engineer and see if it gets signed of as safe it will probably cost £30-£40 and will prevent any incidents.This is for your own benefit!
Ps it is recommended gas appliances are checked yearly to ensure safe operation.

dazmond

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Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2014, 09:20:23 pm »
I don't understand why you would spend all that money on having your tank safely installed and then risk self installing that potential death trap water heater in your van???

ptwt tank installation cost me £100! ;)local garage fitted it through van floor with spreader plates! ;D

i bought the heater from corwoods(NO 20 min cut off!)all plumbed in nice and tight and secure.

van door is left open any time heater will be on(which is all day every day until march!)

this what i did last year and im still alive! ;D ;D
price higher/work harder!

dazmond

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Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2014, 09:22:02 pm »
That reel hose looks like a nightmare!

Check the for sale section soon there will be two brand new 100m mini bore  Gardiner hot water hoses for sale!  :-\

dont be so hasty mate!itll get better with use im quite sure!most hose is a bit of a nightmare when brand new! ;)
price higher/work harder!

ptwt

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Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2014, 09:32:30 pm »
Dazmond glad your still alive, but just because it was ok last year doesn't mean it is this year. get it checked out by someone registered gas safe who will be able to tell you if it is safe.

CleanClear

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Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2014, 09:37:39 pm »
Ps it is recommended gas appliances are checked yearly to ensure safe operation.

Indeed,Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations 1998 (PUWER) make it an actual requirement that ALL your equipment is inspected and maintained . Not just your gas appliance.
 Note: not a recomendation, an actual legal requirement. Thats everything, hoses, poles, controllers, ladders, batteries et al .....
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Jack Harris

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Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2014, 08:10:43 am »
ptwt does that mean a qualified electrician should also be checking the electrics on the systems? you can smell gas, you can't see electrical faults.

Jonny 87

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Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2014, 09:20:49 am »
This year alone I've heard of about 5 window cleaners vans going up in flames because of electrical problems.

Not one yet with these LPG heaters.

Some people can't see the wood for the trees.

:)
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ptwt

  • Posts: 80
Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2014, 10:09:05 am »
ptwt does that mean a qualified electrician should also be checking the electrics on the systems? you can smell gas, you can't see electrical faults.
Carbon monoxide is colourless oderless and tasteless, and is produced whenever there is a flame flues are designed to take harmfull products of combustion to where they are safe this heater is flueless.An flueless instantaneous water heater located in a compartment should have a 5 minute cut off to prevent dangerous levels of carbon monoxide building up in compartment.every year you hear of people being gassed by disposable bbq s because they use them indoors.
Also  Lpg is heavier than air so vents should be provided at low level in case of a leak. And I believe an gas cylinder connected to a gas appliance in a vehicle must be in a purpose built enclosure.
I will rephrase what I said about dazmonds hot set up there are a lot of issues with it which while safe at the moment have potential to cause harm or a dangerous situation.
if you had any training to do with gas or had been in the vecinity of one of these cylinders exploding or seen the damage caused by it you would agree with what I'm saying. I can't advise on electrical maters as I have no knowledge of them so I get advice from those who do.

Plankton

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Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2014, 10:34:13 am »
Ps it is recommended gas appliances are checked yearly to ensure safe operation.

Indeed,Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations 1998 (PUWER) make it an actual requirement that ALL your equipment is inspected and maintained . Not just your gas appliance.
 Note: not a recomendation, an actual legal requirement. Thats everything, hoses, poles, controllers, ladders, batteries et al .....
Can someone advise me where I can take my mop and squeegee for testing, its been neglected and over looked for the last year or so. I'm intending to start blading bottom windows so I think I should get it inspected by a certified squeegee inspector. Oh nearly forgot 2 x unger buckets and those wee green things for the end of the squeegee.  :)

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 2019
Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2014, 11:04:12 am »
The puwer regs state that equipment must be maintained in a safe condition , and inspected to ensure it his correctly installed and doesn't deteriorate .

Things like hand tools etc do not need a yearly inspection logged .

I do agree though that a gas boiler should be properly installed and checked every year ,  i have been knocked over by cylinders exploding and had a very lucky escape .

If you have a leak it will fill up the back of your van and a small spark can set it off , Thats why campers have them fitted in a separate locker with a vent in the bottom .

Personally i think diesel heating is the way to go if you really want hot .......expensive though unless your good at diy.
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CleanClear

  • Posts: 15388
Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2014, 11:12:16 am »
Ladder needs inspecting and logged, as does your electrical equiptment. I never see this actually done though.
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Dave Willis

Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2014, 01:52:32 pm »
I had a cylinder leak at the regulator - the thread was corroded in the cylinder head. I could just about smell the gas. Quite a worry really because in the back of my van at the time was my leisure battery with crocodile clips for connection. One spark from them and it could have got serious.

I use Extreme poles though - so i'd probably be ok.

dazmond

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Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2014, 03:10:30 pm »
I had a cylinder leak at the regulator - the thread was corroded in the cylinder head. I could just about smell the gas. Quite a worry really because in the back of my van at the time was my leisure battery with crocodile clips for connection. One spark from them and it could have got serious.

I use Extreme poles though - so i'd probably be ok.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

i always check the cylinder fittings when swapping gas bottles and a good quarter turn with a spanner after finger tightening.
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mufcglen

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Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2014, 03:18:42 pm »
cant you just get some of the leak check spray to check all fittings if your concerned?

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 2019
Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2014, 05:01:41 pm »
Ladder needs inspecting and logged, as does your electrical equiptment. I never see this actually done though.


I thought that only applied to mains voltage equipment and not low voltage like we use .
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Michael Peterson

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Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2014, 05:50:17 pm »
washing up liquid round the connections see if it bubbles, really though these are no more dangerous than a bbq

ptwt

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Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2014, 06:35:18 pm »
washing up liquid round the connections see if it bubbles, really though these are no more dangerous than a bbq
In a way I agree with you when used correctly they are no more dangerous than a bbq, but every year people die from using bbqs in the wrong place like a in a tent. Outside a disposable bbqs carbon monoxide will be dispersed into the air but in a tent the carbon monoxide can build up. 
These water heaters will require a minimum room size and are intended for short use only and not all day, add to that lack of proper maintenance and safety checks and they are risky.
Dave Willis has proved how easy it could be to miss a gas leak, when testing gas pipe i have seen situations where it failed and there was a leak but you could not smell gas and sometimes you will even struggle to find a leak with leak detection fluid.

People may mock me on here but that is due to their lack of knowledge meaning they fail to see the risks. But I guess "good old common sense"(eg it will be alright as long as I keep the doors open)is far more valuable than taking notice of regulations developed through knowledge and experience to prevent accidents happening.

Jonny 87

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Re: DIY hot system with pics
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2014, 06:52:05 pm »
I think we need a list of things that could go wrong?

1) Gas leak
Remedy- check all pipe work and keep well ventilated.

2) carbon monoxide build up
Remedy- work with a sealed cab and keep well ventilated

3) some sort of malfunction causes flashback causing bottle to explode
Remedy- flashback arrestor inline.

The remedys all seem very simple to me?

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