[Immaculate windows]

surely all you need do is turn the valve off on the bottle between jobs?

[Jack Harris]

Carbon alarm, mount it near the boiler job done!

[ptwt]

Get a gas safety check done by a registered engineer that's job done for the sake of £40

[Jack Harris]

and then what happens if one of the connections came loose, got knocked and a leak started? get a carbon sensor/alarm, Gas engineer will not sign it off as the gas bottle will have to be boxed in and securely fitted.

[Plankton]

I used to deliver CO2 to pubs etc by law they are to comply with various rules, one of which is a basic confined spaces risk assessment which costs around £50. I carried out only a handful of these and nobody pays any attention to the problems they can cause until they go wrong.
Identify the problems that may occur and prepare for them. Buying a new boiler would probably be cheaper than a annual service. Job done.

[ptwt]

and then what happens if one of the connections came loose, got knocked and a leak started? get a carbon sensor/alarm, Gas engineer will not sign it off as the gas bottle will have to be boxed in and securely fitted.

This is my point exactly read my first post there are many issues with his diy install which could easily become dangerous. People on here think it's ok if you leave the doors open and they can't smell any gas. As for the carbon alarm it would most likely go off when the boiler is in use. I wouldn't have signed something off like that when I was gas safe registered. It's amazing how people who earn so much per hour won't spend a bit of money to do things right.

[Tom-01]

Daz how are you getting on with the reel hose? Oh and I hope you haven't gassed yourself.

[slap bash]

The way to fix that hose is to fully extend the hose and let hot water flow through before rolling it up onto the real. This will ensure a straight hose when in operation.

[richard groves]

and then what happens if one of the connections came loose, got knocked and a leak started? get a carbon sensor/alarm, Gas engineer will not sign it off as the gas bottle will have to be boxed in and securely fitted.

This is my point exactly read my first post there are many issues with his diy install which could easily become dangerous. People on here think it's ok if you leave the doors open and they can't smell any gas. As for the carbon alarm it would most likely go off when the boiler is in use. I wouldn't have signed something off like that when I was gas safe registered. It's amazing how people who earn so much per hour won't spend a bit of money to do things right.

To be fair ptwt, there are many people on ciu using these diy hot water systems, Dazmond has stuck his neck out by posting pictures of his set up on here.
You make valid points though and you obviously have a more in depth knowledge of gas appliances than the average window cleaner. These set ups are relatively cheap and so is a gas safety check.

[CleanClear]

As for the carbon alarm it would most likely go off when the boiler is in use.

I dare say it would . It may also go off if the doors are open and the engine is running, i think a van pumps out around 3000 tonnes of Co2 a year. For this reason i always advocate closing your van doors when the engine is running, as Co2 is invisible and highly dangerous. And also wind your windows up when stationary in heavy traffic.

[dazmond]

Daz how are you getting on with the reel hose? Oh and I hope you haven't gassed yourself.

hi tom.no work due until friday!i think ill try slap dashs suggestion!

ive just put some lpg stickers on my van today!might even clean my own windows tomorrow!

[DG Cleaning]

I don't think there's too much risk with the van doors open but when they're closed the van could be classed as a confined space very quickly.
People don't realise how quickly you can be overcome by fumes.
I think hot water users should get their systems checked out by someone who knows what they're doing all this extra quarter of a turn on fittings is quite frankly not good enough.
In the meantime I'd turn the valve on the gas bottle off whenever the van doors are closed.
For me working with the doors shut would be a big no no which is a bit rubbish when your carrying expensive equipment. 

[H20cleaning]

Wouldnt the simple soloution to this be mount the heater on the back doors and work with the door open? That way the fumes escape.

If its windy just wedge somthing to keep the door with the heater on half open.

And if its raining then its probs warm enough to just use cold water for the day.

Problem solved.

[dazmond]

Wouldnt the simple soloution to this be mount the heater on the back doors and work with the door open? That way the fumes escape.

If its windy just wedge somthing to keep the door with the heater on half open.

And if its raining then its probs warm enough to just use cold water for the day.

Problem solved.

it wouldnt work mate.last few days its been torrential rain at times and windy.hot water has been my only comfort.sod using cold until next spring!

plus having the heater inside keeps the back of the van warm!

ive got my set up just how i want it.

when packing up i simply open the other van door and side door as im reeling in to let any remaining fumes escape

[robert mitchell]

http://www.uk.airliquide.com/file/otherelement/pj/___l53496.pdf



This link covers what dazmond and others are doing , i would suggest most are breaking the law .

[CleanClear]

http://www.uk.airliquide.com/file/otherelement/pj/___l53496.pdf



This link covers what dazmond and others are doing , i would suggest most are breaking the law .

It tells you the full carriage legislation requirements do NOT apply:
When dangerous goods are carried only in
cidentally to the enterprise’s main
activity such as a plumber
carrying propane on his way to a job or an engineer
taking refrigerant gas to repair a refr
igeration system. The total quantity of
dangerous goods must also be below the
threshold quantity de
scribed at the end.

[Jonny 87]

http://www.uk.airliquide.com/file/otherelement/pj/___l53496.pdf



This link covers what dazmond and others are doing , i would suggest most are breaking the law .

So basically aslong as you carry fire extinguishers and disconnect any cylinders while in transit it's fine to use these heaters then?

I kind of skipped over lots of jargon but that's basically what I took. Just like a plumber carrying a gas bottle to a job. We are "incidental" users.

[David Beecroft]

I've had my 2 heaters on the back doors for the past 3 years, never had any problems with wind or rain. I always work with the doors open as I don't do dodgy neighbourhoods and what is there to pinch?  bucket squeegee & applicator, big deal. I never run about without turning the Gas off. I secured the gas bottle with a ratchet strap around the middle of it, perhaps it should have its own enclosure. What I don't have are the hazard stickers for the van, I'll get on to that.

[dazmond]

one 13kg gas bottle of propane is well below the threshold.this is all i carry so the regulations dont apply to me!incidental user.

i am going to get a fire extinguiser though.i already have LPG stickers on the van and turn the gas off between jobs.

[koopmaster]

This year alone I've heard of about 5 window cleaners vans going up in flames because of electrical problems.

Not one yet with these LPG heaters.

Some people can't see the wood for the trees.

Sound like you need to stop smoking in the van and licking the battery. 5 times in 1 year... LOL