Thanks matt, yea ive seen a sml sample of it from circuit hydraulics, well made but how flexible it is on a reel full??? Pure freedoms is good n cheap @ £45 but its not flexible enough for me. I saw a windy mate of mine 2day and hes using ionics 8mm, very flexy to the touch, so might give that a go @ £80ish, shame its only in orange though, i find yellow more high vis when new/worn.