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Fair play to Gordon still having a V1 going strong, This shows the resilience of the kit, The V11 Analogue was aimed to fill this slot if people feel it is to complex well maybe we should re visit it.
Quote from: Nathanael Jones on June 23, 2014, 01:19:00 pmFlow controllers are useful bits of kit which have been ruined by over complicating them!I agree,I have an original mk1 eco flow controller from Crow-electro ( now known as Spring ). Its just a simple analogue dial with an led and thats all ! simply does all that I wanted it for - contol the speed of the pump. Seems the more advanced something becomes the more there is to go wrong.Is there a similar product still available from any supplier now ?
Flow controllers are useful bits of kit which have been ruined by over complicating them!
12v motor controller from ebay £4.99 ive always used this instead of those £60 controllers does the job just fine
Quote from: Ian Sheppard on June 24, 2014, 11:01:55 amFair play to Gordon still having a V1 going strong, This shows the resilience of the kit, The V11 Analogue was aimed to fill this slot if people feel it is to complex well maybe we should re visit it. Ian, please bring back the V1, its brilliant, does exactly what it says on the tin I think there is still a place in the market for it and I reckon they would be very popular.I think your latest controllers are probably great too on fitted systems from suppliers but I think from what I read on here most people who have problems with de and calibration etc. are those who have a diy system like myself and our only requirement of a controller is to adjust the speed of the pump. My V1 must be atleast 8 years old or so and never given me a problem.
Quote from: Mitchellmoxo on June 24, 2014, 08:19:23 pm12v motor controller from ebay £4.99 ive always used this instead of those £60 controllers does the job just fineI've been using one for 3+ years although mine was more expensive than yours. I think I paid about £6.
Quote from: rosskesava on June 24, 2014, 08:38:30 pmQuote from: Mitchellmoxo on June 24, 2014, 08:19:23 pm12v motor controller from ebay £4.99 ive always used this instead of those £60 controllers does the job just fineI've been using one for 3+ years although mine was more expensive than yours. I think I paid about £6.lol you must have the superior model!!
Quote from: Gordon Bennet on June 24, 2014, 07:46:29 pmQuote from: Ian Sheppard on June 24, 2014, 11:01:55 amFair play to Gordon still having a V1 going strong, This shows the resilience of the kit, The V11 Analogue was aimed to fill this slot if people feel it is to complex well maybe we should re visit it. Ian, please bring back the V1, its brilliant, does exactly what it says on the tin I think there is still a place in the market for it and I reckon they would be very popular.I think your latest controllers are probably great too on fitted systems from suppliers but I think from what I read on here most people who have problems with de and calibration etc. are those who have a diy system like myself and our only requirement of a controller is to adjust the speed of the pump. My V1 must be atleast 8 years old or so and never given me a problem. The reason for what you read on here is for two reasons- incorrect fitting or components (wire grade, connectors etc) & users not understanding how the controller works- thus DE cuts in & they don't understand why or what affects system pressures & the resulting effect on the controller. I reckon in 99% of cases the controller is not at fault!!
Quote from: groundhog on June 24, 2014, 08:14:44 amQuote from: David Moyes link=topic=186794.msg1602862#msg1602862 date=. I prefer to work with a higher flow where practical as too low a flow rate can slow me down a bit.[/quoteExactly! Why would you waste money on a piece of equipment which slows you down?This is an argument which just constantly repeats itself on this forum. If you don't understand how controllers work, what they do & the reasons for that- then carry on working in the dark ages!! BOTH the above comments are ridiculous for blatantly obvious reasons!
Quote from: David Moyes link=topic=186794.msg1602862#msg1602862 date=. I prefer to work with a higher flow where practical as too low a flow rate can slow me down a bit.[/quoteExactly! Why would you waste money on a piece of equipment which slows you down?This is an argument which just constantly repeats itself on this forum. If you don't understand how controllers work, what they do & the reasons for that- then carry on working in the dark ages!! BOTH the above comments are ridiculous for blatantly obvious reasons!
Exactly! Why would you waste money on a piece of equipment which slows you down?
Quote from: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on June 24, 2014, 08:28:08 amQuote from: groundhog on June 24, 2014, 08:14:44 amQuote from: David Moyes link=topic=186794.msg1602862#msg1602862 date=. I prefer to work with a higher flow where practical as too low a flow rate can slow me down a bit.[/quoteExactly! Why would you waste money on a piece of equipment which slows you down?This is an argument which just constantly repeats itself on this forum. If you don't understand how controllers work, what they do & the reasons for that- then carry on working in the dark ages!! BOTH the above comments are ridiculous for blatantly obvious reasons!And the blatantly obvious reasons are?It's a funny thing how some people present opinion as fact.There are many different ways of working. I know my preferences but have no problem with other people working to theirs. The biggest problem seems to be when someone says that their way is the only right and true way and every other way is wrong.
I wouldn't say that electronic flow controllers are a waste of money; they can be useful in certain circumstances. I've never bothered with one myself though as I have a return to tank pipe that can be adjusted. Such controllers are just another thing that can go wrong - but they are helpful in situations where the flow needs to be carefully regulated. I would probably only use one if I had a tank size in a lighter van that meant me needing to use less water. As it is, I'm a single operator with a van payload that just about allows an 800 litre tank. I prefer to work with a higher flow where practical as too low a flow rate can slow me down a bit.
One of our controllers just went 'kaput' and the other went 'kaput' when I connected the battery terminal up the wrong way one early morning.I thought then, stuff 'em, and haven't used one since.I might knock up the DIY one; some accounts it would be useful to use a reduced flow rate on (real leaded windows for example), but we just work full flow, quickly, and we never have controller or battery problems these days.
Quote from: Tosh on June 24, 2014, 09:45:03 pmOne of our controllers just went 'kaput' and the other went 'kaput' when I connected the battery terminal up the wrong way one early morning.I thought then, stuff 'em, and haven't used one since.I might knock up the DIY one; some accounts it would be useful to use a reduced flow rate on (real leaded windows for example), but we just work full flow, quickly, and we never have controller or battery problems these days.If you do fit one Tosh it's worthwhile fitting an inline fuse between battery and controller, so that if you connect the battery terminals up wrong the only thing to go pop will be the fuse.
If you do fit one Tosh it's worthwhile fitting an inline fuse between battery and controller, so that if you connect the battery terminals up wrong the only thing to go pop will be the fuse.
I wrote that I've never bothered with one myself. However, it is the case that I used one for a short while - though it was fitted to someone else's system.I suppose the other thing is that if someone were to use a flow controller to run the pump at full tilt, then there wouldn't be much point bothering with it in the first place.I'm not anti-flow controller. I have just never seen the need because I have a tank that is larger than my needs for a days work.There seems to be a lot of this rubbishing the way other people do things on here - generally. It's a great pity that there is some useful stuff on here too otherwise I wouldn't bother with it.
Quote from: andyM on June 25, 2014, 08:26:54 amIf you do fit one Tosh it's worthwhile fitting an inline fuse between battery and controller, so that if you connect the battery terminals up wrong the only thing to go pop will be the fuse.Both of my past controller had in-line fuses, yet the controller still went 'pop' when I got the polarity around the wrong way.
Quote from: Tosh on June 25, 2014, 12:41:28 pmQuote from: andyM on June 25, 2014, 08:26:54 amIf you do fit one Tosh it's worthwhile fitting an inline fuse between battery and controller, so that if you connect the battery terminals up wrong the only thing to go pop will be the fuse.Both of my past controller had in-line fuses, yet the controller still went 'pop' when I got the polarity around the wrong way. Can i ask what rating the fuses were? Also which controls did you have and how old were they were.