[MWC]

Jesus Daz. All this money you say you earn and you want to scrimp on securing you tank. Just get a decent setup so if you ever do crash you have a better chance.

lol, you know the answer already!

If you aint talking money I don't wana know...........

[Frankybadboy]

he put the prices up but he still does £6 houses on compact estate work


what was they before 

[SeanK]

well there is some guys with an attitude on ere thats for sure!!

chill guys!!

ive made my decision and ordered what i think is right for my needs.at the end of the day its my money.ill do what the hell i like with it!

500L baffled tank,retaining frame and 5 ton ratchets straps.thatll do for me £400.

all price rises now done.2 customers lost.happy days!

Dazmond, when bolting it to the floor make sure you put metal plates underneath the bigger the better.
This will stop the bolts ripping through the floor if your ever unfortunate enough to be in an accident.
Stainless steel wont rust but its too brittle compared to mild steel (especially at the welds ) just get the frame galvanised and you wont have any rust problems.
 

[Simon Mess]

There was a topic on here not that long ago discussing just this issue. One of the contributors had been on a course regarding securing loads. He asked his instructor specifically about using ratchet straps to secure a tank in the back of a van. The instructor not only told him that it was perfectly safe to do so, but also explained why. Now i am quite sure there are plenty on here who think they know better than an qualified instructor, but i am not one of them!.

Daz, if you want to secure your tank using straps, you go for it. I would however, suggest you look into exactly how best to use them, as from the previous post i mentioned, safely securing the tank has to do with how you arrange the straps.

[Trev Jones]

Fao SeanK

Stainless steel wont rust but its too brittle compared to mild steel (especially at the welds )

Don't know where you got the above information from regarding the stainless steel being to brittle (especially the welds), but its incorrect for the 304 or 316 stainless steel that would be used for making frames. They make all types of pressure vessels out of 304/316 st st where the welds have to be stronger than the actual stainless steel itself.
There are types of stainless steel that are brittle, this is martensitic stainless that is used for making items such as cutlery, but this type of stainless is not that weldable and wouldn't be used for general fabrication.

[SeanK]

Fao SeanK

Stainless steel wont rust but its too brittle compared to mild steel (especially at the welds )

Don't know where you got the above information from regarding the stainless steel being to brittle (especially the welds), but its incorrect for the 304 or 316 stainless steel that would be used for making frames. They make all types of pressure vessels out of 304/316 st st where the welds have to be stronger than the actual stainless steel itself.
There are types of stainless steel that are brittle, this is martensitic stainless that is used for making items such as cutlery, but this type of stainless is not that weldable and wouldn't be used for general fabrication.

Trev, I used the word brittle to keep it short, yes you can get different grades of stainless steel but mild steel is better
at absorbing an impact as its more malleable than stainless.
Also due to the heat absorbing nature of stainless its very hard to get a good safe weld. I'm not saying it cant be
done but If my safety was on the line I would put my trust more in a mild steel weld every time.

[dazmond]

at the end of the day we pay our money and take our chances.

full bulkhead,retaining frames and ratchet straps will do nicely.

wfp companies wouldnt sell frames if they were nt up to the job.

ill get my local mechanic to fit it and make sure theres plates underneath.

[Scrimble]

at the end of the day we pay our money and take our chances.

full bulkhead,retaining frames and ratchet straps will do nicely.

wfp companies wouldnt sell frames if they were nt up to the job.

ill get my local mechanic to fit it and make sure theres plates underneath.

Dazmond wfp companys will sell what inept people will buy, from fibreglass poles to unbaffled tanks,

[gary999]

Fao SeanK

Stainless steel wont rust but its too brittle compared to mild steel (especially at the welds )

Don't know where you got the above information from regarding the stainless steel being to brittle (especially the welds), but its incorrect for the 304 or 316 stainless steel that would be used for making frames. They make all types of pressure vessels out of 304/316 st st where the welds have to be stronger than the actual stainless steel itself.
There are types of stainless steel that are brittle, this is martensitic stainless that is used for making items such as cutlery, but this type of stainless is not that weldable and wouldn't be used for general fabrication.

good post havent seen 304 or 316 quoted since i came out of lifting
gear industry nearly ten years ago.

All high tensile steel grade 80,100 or and including stainless 304 and 316 have
been tempered as part of the forging process making them mallaeble
ductile and resistant to shock loading.

They are far from brittle,the metal is designed to give before breaking

[dazmond]

scrimble another poster whos always having a dig!!

im not "inept" just because i dont buy the latest grippapro system or whatever for over a grand!

a tank,frame and rachet straps will do the job just fine!

[Trev Jones]

Trev, I used the word brittle to keep it short, yes you can get different grades of stainless steel but mild steel is better
at absorbing an impact as its more malleable than stainless.
Also due to the heat absorbing nature of stainless its very hard to get a good safe weld. I'm not saying it cant be
done but If my safety was on the line I would put my trust more in a mild steel weld every time.

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Sean, I have to disagree, I have 20 years experience in welding and fabrication in mild steel & stainless steel and have held welder codings in st st, mild steel, titanium, inconel, aluminium, nimonic in various positions using the TIG welding process and some in MIG welding as well. Out of all these materials, 304/316 stainless is by far the easiest to weld and is the easiest to get a good safe weld, it is also the material that is prone to the LEAST weld defects and also requires the least pre-weld preparation before commencing welding. Stainless steel is by far the more superior material with regards to strength & weldability and is the best material to use for a tank frame, the only problem is, is that its much more expensive than mild steel. The strength of the tank frame is down to the design and the correct thickness of the section type (angle, box section, bar, strip) that its is made out of, not the welds, (that's assuming the welds are carried out by a competent welder)
I agree that mild steel is just as suitable for tank frames, although it needs to be galvanised or painted or it will rust.
Personally, if you can get hold of a stainless steel frame though, this would be the better option as it looks good, it doesn't rust  

[Scrimble]

scrimble another poster whos always having a dig!!

im not "inept" just because i dont buy the latest grippapro system or whatever for over a grand!

a tank,frame and rachet straps will do the job just fine!

im not always having a dig! but if you post on a open internet forum expect criticism

yes you are dazmond,

I never mentioned over a grand or grippa read my post again

[MWC]

scrimble another poster whos always having a dig!!

im not "inept" just because i dont buy the latest grippapro system or whatever for over a grand!

a tank,frame and rachet straps will do the job just fine!

im not always having a dig! but if you post on a open internet forum expect criticism

yes you are dazmond,

I never mentioned over a grand or grippa read my post again

Dazmond = ritchywilts

Always talking money and contradicting yourself in later posts!

Just get a proper system and be done with it, you don't need 26 topics on what van, what pole, what system, what tape, what heater, what fittings!!! Get someone to do it properly and stop scrimping.

[G Griffin]

Dazmond's getting stick because he's an open book. He tells us everything (or near enough), so there's plenty ammo.
He also asks for advice but is strong willed at the same time. You advise him but he'll do what he wants, anyway. More ammo.
BUT, he's ok. He can laugh at himself and you've got to admire his enthusiasm. We all make mistakes and get things wrong but they don't get the attention Dazmond's do. You've got to let people make their own mistakes, sometimes.
He's usually big enough to admit them, as well. I can't always say the same.
If he flucks up it's up to him.

[SeanK]

Trev, I used the word brittle to keep it short, yes you can get different grades of stainless steel but mild steel is better
at absorbing an impact as its more malleable than stainless.
Also due to the heat absorbing nature of stainless its very hard to get a good safe weld. I'm not saying it cant be
done but If my safety was on the line I would put my trust more in a mild steel weld every time.

Sean, I have to disagree, I have 20 years experience in welding and fabrication in mild steel & stainless steel and have held welder codings in st st, mild steel, titanium, inconel, aluminium, nimonic in various positions using the TIG welding process and some in MIG welding as well. Out of all these materials, 304/316 stainless is by far the easiest to weld and is the easiest to get a good safe weld, it is also the material that is prone to the LEAST weld defects and also requires the least pre-weld preparation before commencing welding. Stainless steel is by far the more superior material with regards to strength & weldability and is the best material to use for a tank frame, the only problem is, is that its much more expensive than mild steel. The strength of the tank frame is down to the design and the correct thickness of the section type (angle, box section, bar, strip) that its is made out of, not the welds, (that's assuming the welds are carried out by a competent welder)
I agree that mild steel is just as suitable for tank frames, although it needs to be galvanised or painted or it will rust.
Personally, if you can get hold of a stainless steel frame though, this would be the better option as it looks good, it doesn't rust  
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Trev. I have 20 years in the same business and would love to get into a debate with you over the pros and cons of stainless
but this is the wrong forum for that.
Having said that Iv had to go back to my old note books as its 10 years since I last worked with metal.
Nice to talk to a fellow metal worker or fabrication engineer depending on what you like to be called.