[Small but perfectley formed]

I do both but feel a lot better working from the ground where I will not fall off a ladder and usually earn more wfp

[Mike #1]

The one thing i can not work out is window cleaners who have wfp but still trad as well .

Their is a window cleaner who works in the same area as me and has 3 lads working for him he has 1 lad using a trolley and him and the other 2 lads are trad .  .

Why not go all out wfp it aint a money thing as he has the biggest round in the town all though i know he charges less than me .

If he got van full fitted he could get rid of one or even 2 of his lads and still get through all his work . Mike

[robertphil]

no end of new starter WFP  go tits up in no time.     you see em on Ebay all the time

im sure that if I went WFP id be joining em !!!

 as said erlier in the thread the really big residential rounds are still done trad  for a very good reason

[lozsing]

Next subject will be about hose pipe bans 

[steven 1]

The one thing i can not work out is window cleaners who have wfp but still trad as well .

Their is a window cleaner who works in the same area as me and has 3 lads working for him he has 1 lad using a trolley and him and the other 2 lads are trad .   .

Why not go all out wfp it aint a money thing as he has the biggest round in the town all though i know he charges less than me .

If he got van full fitted he could get rid of one or even 2 of his lads and still get through all his work . Mike

 

I think some still trad because some customers wont be educated in how wfp works, all they can see is wet windows and think were trying to cop out on hard work or using ladders.
i laddered for 9yrs and prefer wfp pole, but some customers cant accept change and become biased even when they clean perfect!
I have had comments like that was quick! so some customers just dont like it unless you look like your working hard and take longer, they see that has value for money?
(SO ITS NOT WHAT WE DO, ITS THE WAY THAT WE DO IT!)

Steve

[home6442]

Talking to a trad guy a few weeks back who asked me would I recommend
wfp.
Told him the same as I have told others.
If you don't feel safe working from a ladder then go for it but don't listen to
the rubbish about it being quicker or better.
I could easily double the amount of houses that I clean in a day but my quality would
suffer.
As I have said before its all about competition its lucky for a lot of guys here that they don't
have any.
Kentkleen thanks for your reply on openers good to read posts from a quality cleaner wfp
needs more of you.

[windiewasher]

Talking to a trad guy a few weeks back who asked me would I recommend
wfp.
Told him the same as I have told others.
If you don't feel safe working from a ladder then go for it but don't listen to
the rubbish about it being quicker or better.
I could easily double the amount of houses that I clean in a day but my quality would
suffer.
As I have said before its all about competition its lucky for a lot of guys here that they don't
have any.
Kentkleen thanks for your reply on openers good to read posts from a quality cleaner wfp
needs more of you.

Lol.you seem bitter about wfp,the water and anything else associated with it.
Your one of two things,you cant afford wfp or someone with wfp has robbed all your work.
 all my custys love wfp and have said so much better than trad and a lot of these are old and ex windys say the same.
 Does that mean im good John?

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

Talking to a trad guy a few weeks back who asked me would I recommend
wfp.
Told him the same as I have told others.
If you don't feel safe working from a ladder then go for it but don't listen to
the rubbish about it being quicker or better.
I could easily double the amount of houses that I clean in a day but my quality would
suffer.
As I have said before its all about competition its lucky for a lot of guys here that they don't
have any.
Kentkleen thanks for your reply on openers good to read posts from a quality cleaner wfp
needs more of you.

Thanks for that 'John'.

  

[AuRavelling79]

33 minutes.

2 of us, eating and drinking as we went!

The traddies took the same - but on the shiny concrete one footed the other.

[home6442]

I am 100% wfp and always will be but I don't make it out to be something its not.
I am prepared to find fault with it in order to improve it and to prevent future problems.
Yes I do get bitter when I am not offered the job because some splash and dash wfp cleaner
has ruined its reputation.
I am not having a dig at any cleaner here but would be lying if I said that I didn't think the speedsters
do more harm than good to the wfp cause.
I am a very happy wfp window cleaner

[Knocker]

WFP is so much quicker than Trad, we used to clean a large university it would take 6 winodow cleaners 3 long days (7am-4pm) when we switched over to WFP we got it down to 4 men 2 days, that is a massive saving in labour costs.

[andyM]

I mainly use wfp but also do some trad work.
I've been told by customers of bad experiences they have had in the past from trad and wfp window cleaners.
It does not matter in most cases if a window is cleaned with wfp or squeegee, but the defining factor is the care and effort taken by the window cleaner.
Bad results are mostly due to laziness on the window cleaners part.
However I would agree wfp is faster, safer and the most effective way to get to hard to reach windows which is why I choose to use it.  

[gary999]

each to their own

Trad =  potential of making  a nice living but lots of hard work

Wfp= potential of making a  nice  living less hard work

im a lazy bugger

[AuRavelling79]

So it would seem that "they" continue trad because they are:

1. (a) Frightened to explain to their customers how it's going to be.
    (b) Frightened that their custies will use another trad guy who is frightened to tell his customers how it's going to be.
    (c) Too proud to admit they (or worse - their assistant) might fall from a ladder if they climb one a hundred times a day.

2. Not convinced that they can do a good enough job wfp.

3. (a) Not, in general as business orientated as a wfp user.
    (b) Not, in general as motivated as a wfp user.

4. Older part-timers topping up their pensions 'til they shuffle off the mortal coil or a ladder.

5. Doleys topping up their beer money.

6. Bungalow Bill.

Feel free to tell me any I've missed ...

[wfp master]

Next subject will be about hose pipe bans 

to early yet wait until next week. it will happen

[C o z y]

So it would seem that "they" continue trad because they are:

1. (a) Frightened to explain to their customers how it's going to be.
    (b) Frightened that their custies will use another trad guy who is frightened to tell his customers how it's going to be.
    (c) Too proud to admit they (or worse - their assistant) might fall from a ladder if they climb one a hundred times a day.

2. Not convinced that they can do a good enough job wfp.

3. (a) Not, in general as business orientated as a wfp user.
    (b) Not, in general as motivated as a wfp user.

4. Older part-timers topping up their pensions 'til they shuffle off the mortal coil or a ladder.

5. Doleys topping up their beer money.

6. Bungalow Bill.

Feel free to tell me any I've missed ...

You forgot "trad guys are thick" Malc.

Let's turn the question around. Why are guys WFP?

Because they got into a job that means developing enough skill to do a decent job and get paid for it, but have no hand/eye co-ordination.

They got into a business that requires you to work above 2 meters off the ground, even though they suffer from fear of heights.

They got into a business that is generally looked upon as low tech "can't get a proper job" / dole scrounger so try to make it technical by working with Coi tank pumps and warning signs placed on pavements 

Take ya pick  I'll stick with being thick and only needing to work for 12 to 14 days a month, and being home for 1pm on those days I do work.

It's all about setting your prices right you clever people. I think you'll find that people who can't set their prices accordingly, have to work bank holidays and most weekends.

That's what you need to worry about lads, not what method you use.

[G Griffin]

They both clean windows. There's only two principles to window cleaning, for me. Break down whatever is on the window and then get rid of it. Both methods do this, so let's not pretend wfp is that much different to trad.
Same principles, different methods.
Some prefer either method for different reasons- safety, speed, less complication etc.
I don't know why people get defensive about the way they do the same job.

[C o z y]

Neither do I Griff. I just notice that it seems to bother WFP blokes enough to make them start a thread about it every few weeks. It's all about making money. Snobbery amoung cleaners eh? Who'd have thought it 

[wpclean]

For me personally using wfp is safer,  I did many years trad, and had a serious fall resulting in broken bones.    Wfp is a hassle getting started with, and is it an added expense to start with . . . . but how much value do you put on your life ?

[keyser soze]

i love trad  it breaks my day up nicely i get really bored with the pole all day every day .... its not all about money in my eyes ..