[Paul Moss]

Im waiting to see how this debate goes. I am very interested to find out what really is the best hard floor system on the  planet. In this game you learn to read through the bs and hype in regards to suppliers machines, chemicals and products ( no disrespect to any one) but there seems to be lots going on in the hard floor world at the moment and before customers like me go buying newstuff its good to know what actually works like it says on the tin.

So like i posted earlier, l look forward to how this debate goes now that all experts are on board to share their views as that way all b s will be quashed.

[Jamie Pearson]

Maybe we need to get Harry Hill to test them out side by side.

[Dana Kothrade]

I definitely welcome a side by side show down as long as the person using the Cheetahs knows how to use them properly. These are totally different technology. The only similarity is that one of many of the ingredients is diamonds. They're very easy to use but if used just like old school diamond discs without understanding how each Cheetah step replaces 3-7 old school diamond disc steps, the speed and results can vary. Maybe Mike Philbin or Martin Shelley will go head to head with Kev and a planetary machine. There's no question that a 30 grit metal bond diamond system on a planetary will flatten a floor faster, its the several steps afterward that must be done to remove that scratch pattern that makes the Cheetah Pucks so amazing. Tis is a more refined approach. While the step-1 pucks will remove deep scratches and lippage, when run properly they leave the floor smoother than a 400 disc so that's essentially metal steps 30-50-100-200, resin steps 100-200-400 all done in one step. Now factor in all the clean up between each step and all those factors easily make the cheetah pucks faster. If you plan to polish with a powder polish you then only need to do Cheetah Puck step two very briefly to remove scratch pattern from step-1 which brings the surface up to around 1200 and then polish with 11,000 grit monkey pad combined with your favorite polish powder (but a lot less than you'd normally use) and you've got an incredible shine with outstanding clarity after 30-60 seconds of polishing per square meter.  So its a total restoration with lippage removal in only 3 steps instead of as many as 10 steps. There's a reason why huge hotel chains, airports, school districts and every one of the largest franchise restoration companies in the world use this system... It's fast, easy, green and duplicatable. You don't need to understand the infinite variables of hardness, density, porosity and mineral composition of thousands of stone types with the New Cheetah Systems. You only need to understand a few basic changes in technique and how to count step1,step 2,step3 etc.

[StoneSealersHQ]

Hi Dana,

Sounds very interesting, do you have any youtube videos of the new pucks being used?

[SteveAllan]

Who are the uk suppliers of the pucks?

[Paul Moss]

Dana, how long or how many metres can these pads do

[Dana Kothrade]

NuLife Stone Care is the UK distributor.

YouTube videos coming soon.

Longevity varies mostly on the user. Takes getting used to new procedures to maximize efficiency. Steps 1-2 wear faster, 3000-15000 sqft, steps 3-4 wear much slower. Longevity varies depending on mohs hardness of the surface, weight of machine, proper use and experience. Most new users have never experienced any diamond disc cutting like these so they really over use each step. This causes more abrasives to be released which if not cleaned up thoroughly (too small to see) can affect the results of the next steps and the efficiency.

I'll be working with Mike Philbin from NuLife Stone Care to do a webinar or video to show proper use ASAP.

When used properly the level of gloss and extreme clarity is astonishing. You can't achieve that level of depth and clarity with old school discs and polish powders. Do those methods work? Absolutely they work. But we are beginning a new age for stone care with this technology. Chemical polish products are no longer needed. We mechanically smooth the floor to such a fine degree before polishing that the stone looks alive. Crystal clear. Even marbles that are typically a nightmare respond very well. Take a look at these pictures. This is from what used to be a bank in Memphis Tennessee. It was installed over 100 years ago and has been abused and improperly cared for over the last 100+ years. I put the new Cheetah Pucks on a regular floor buffer with a 60 pound steel drive plate and explained the process to three people with zero experience doing stone restoration. They used Cheetah Pucks Steps 1-4 then polished using 11,000 grit monkey pad. No chemical polish was used. Only pucks pads and water. I'll post the pics on Facebook now so you can see. Search for Cheetah Pads on Facebook. You'll see the pics as my most recent post.

[Paul Moss]

Can you use these with an orbitor such as the hbot or isit with a heavy rotary only.

[Dana Kothrade]

We have different configurations for all machines, rotary, planetary, scrubber driers, orbital etc.

[Paul Moss]

Jamie, which ones have you just bought?

[Jamie Pearson]

I have ordered the standard system featured by Mike at cleaning show. However I have been discussing Orbot options with Dana so may change my order for something more specific if possible.

[Dana Kothrade]

Ok I just posted several pictures on Facebook. Search Cheetah Pads to see them.

[Mike Philbin]

Hi All

Just thought i should say a few words

Ok, Two years ago we saw the Cheetah Pads in action and quite frankly we weren’t convinced. After all, we already had a really fast grinding and polishing system !

But Dana Kothrade (Cheetah Pad Inventor) has spent the last 2 years gathering feedback, data, opinions and ideas from people he knows around the world and has totally redesigned the Cheetah Pad System.

He has now collectively engineered, designed and built what we consider to be hands down, the most advanced, effective, efficient, versatile and user friendly system for Stone Restoration ever created
Sometimes you just have to your hands up and say WOW! This is it! He’s done it! and you just have to be part of it.

There hasn’t been any official announcement yet and sales are already through the roof in the USA & UK Markets. Experience stone professionals are being blown away by the NEW Cheetah Systems capability.  I promise, you're mind is going to blown away by this simple two- step process, using the Cheetah Pucks and our Monster Polishing Powder. The Stone World is never going to be the same again!

The All New Step 2 Cheetah Puck disc can remove very signiJicant damage and severe etching but in just one step, it will leave the surface super smooth and it takes very little polishing compound, water & 11000 grit monkey pad and time to get an extremely high gloss finish with unbelievable clarity.

Include the Step 1 Cheetah Puck and thats just three steps from lippage removal, to full polish on most marbles. Unbelievable? Not Anymore!!!

Dana is a crazy guy and has so much more amazing stuff coming real soon, i'm really looking forward to working with him and bringing his passion for stone floor restoration to you all.

Regards
Mike Philbin - Director
Nu-Life Stone Care
0161 480 7284

Finally - I have an offer for all the Clean It Up Guys Only - Buy the Step 2 Cheetah Puck System for just £295.00 (includes 4 of the step 2 cheetah pucks, a rubber riser, 11000 grit monkey pad & a tub of Monster Polishing Powder.  Plus get FREE Training worth £450.00 !!!

[Jason Smith]

Welcome Mike, nice to see you on here... looks like you got yourself a great system there, good luck with it.

[Mike Philbin]

Appreciate the welcome & thanks Jason

[Mark Slaney]

 Hi Mike, emailed you through your website about the pads and course. Looking forward to hearing from you.


  Mark.

[Mike Philbin]

Hi Mark,

Thanks, and i will be in touch monday

Mike

[Kev Martin]

This thread has been fun to watch. It's always interesting to see how aggressive some people get when new technology threatens what they sell. Kev, your assumptions (that's all they are since no actual scientific analysis has been done by you) are completely unfounded. Claims that the new Cheetah Pucks can't remove lippage, produce average results, are more expensive etc. are all false. But keep posting please. Please don't stop. I am the inventor of the Cheetah Pucks. I have but one goal. Help stone restoration technicians produce better results in less time without using expensive machines and harmful chemicals. If someone makes a living teaching, selling and using these machines and chemicals, obviously my technology threatens them and so they lash out.

Dana

I have absolutely no problem with advancement in technology. I have spent the last 6 years trying to improve things in the stone industry.  I am not quite sure why you think that I feel threatened because you have alledgedly invented the best restoration system on the planet for the second time. The last time it was Cheetah Pads and now they are gone it is Cheetah Pucks with Monkey Pads to finish off.
Sales of stone restoration disposables or consumables are less than 2% of my company turnover.  It wouldn't bother me if I never sold another diamond again.

So this is What We can do if your happy.  I will lay a new Nero Máquina 20mm Marble Floor in my unit with 1-3mm of lippage. You or Mike come down and We will get an independent person to judge both systems based on time, overall results and final gloss reading. You can even bring Stone TV to film it.
When do you want to do it?

Can you also tell me which Stone Professionals have tested the system in the USA and endorsed it.


Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

[Kev Martin]

Hi All

Just thought i should say a few words

Ok, Two years ago we saw the Cheetah Pads in action and quite frankly we weren’t convinced. After all, we already had a really fast grinding and polishing system !

But Dana Kothrade (Cheetah Pad Inventor) has spent the last 2 years gathering feedback, data, opinions and ideas from people he knows around the world and has totally redesigned the Cheetah Pad System.

He has now collectively engineered, designed and built what we consider to be hands down, the most advanced, effective, efficient, versatile and user friendly system for Stone Restoration ever created
Sometimes you just have to your hands up and say WOW! This is it! He’s done it! and you just have to be part of it.

There hasn’t been any official announcement yet and sales are already through the roof in the USA & UK Markets. Experience stone professionals are being blown away by the NEW Cheetah Systems capability.  I promise, you're mind is going to blown away by this simple two- step process, using the Cheetah Pucks and our Monster Polishing Powder. The Stone World is never going to be the same again!

The All New Step 2 Cheetah Puck disc can remove very signiJicant damage and severe etching but in just one step, it will leave the surface super smooth and it takes very little polishing compound, water & 11000 grit monkey pad and time to get an extremely high gloss finish with unbelievable clarity.

Include the Step 1 Cheetah Puck and thats just three steps from lippage removal, to full polish on most marbles. Unbelievable? Not Anymore!!!

Dana is a crazy guy and has so much more amazing stuff coming real soon, i'm really looking forward to working with him and bringing his passion for stone floor restoration to you all.

Regards
Mike Philbin - Director
Nu-Life Stone Care
0161 480 7284

Finally - I have an offer for all the Clean It Up Guys Only - Buy the Step 2 Cheetah Puck System for just £295.00 (includes 4 of the step 2 cheetah pucks, a rubber riser, 11000 grit monkey pad & a tub of Monster Polishing Powder.  Plus get FREE Training worth £450.00 !!!

Mike

Welcome to the Forum.  OK lets do it!  I will build you a new floor of Nero Maquina with a little lippage 1-3mm.  You are welcome to come down or send Martin whichever one of you that understands the system the best and we will video it being done.  I will let you choose which half you want to do and I will personally do the other half. so just let me know when you want to do it!  I also think it would be a good idea to invite any CIU members who want to attend to come along.  I will lay on refreshments as well!

I look forward to seeing the system working on a real floor.

Also you can bring the monster brushes as well and you can try them on another floor against my new brush system that fits any machine.

I notice as well that you use a Wirbel so you don't even need to bring a machine as I have one I can loan you!

My contact telephone numbers are Office 0121 705 5333 or Mobile 07770 598855 my e mail is tilinglogistics@hotmail.com.

Kind regards

Kevin Martin
Tiling Logistics
Marblelife Ltd

[Mike Philbin]

Kevin, My business on the forum is done for now !