[dave0123]

you could say youve been to friendly? ..

all boils down to friends/family/business/ doesnt mix.. and if it may work but very rare sight.

[magic moments]

Just my opinion ,you have posted so many and I know this will sound harsh ,but silly posts ,you have obviously done ok despite what others have said,you mentioned a health and safety posistion a while back ,maybe you should just do something else mate you obviously struggle managing people no offence.

[Deangsi]

You treat people realy well and most of them will poop on you! Fact. But there a few good people out there that will be gratefull of a good paying job its finding that person. If you don't mind me asking right how many people do you have working and do they hit there targits? I'm only asking as we are taking on a part time cleaner now and a full time one so I can canvass 90 percent of the week.

[Tom White]

ive not posted the whole background to my friendship with this lad etc and how ive helped him out a lot in life and tried to support him when he has had tough times basically when i employed him having worked fitting upvc fascias etc i found him to be a hard worker with manuals skills, punctual and reliable. he was walking rnd homeless with two bin bags when i seen him etc so i offered him a lift and said you can come and work with me doing some roof coating jobs we had on then began introducing him to window cleaning etc

even during difficult times financially i always kept him on etc and found him things to do even thru th big freeze we had two years back, ive even bought him his provisional driving licence to try and encourage him to get his driving licence and offered him use of van at weekends to use for him and his daughter

theres a lot more too it than him just being my employee so this is why i was so annoyed that he disobeyed me when ive done notin but bend over backwards to help him in past so yes i took it a bit personal when i attacked him the other day

Richy, you can justify it any way you like, but there's no justification for your behaviour.  We just don't go attacking people.  How difficult is that to understand?  No 'ifs', no 'buts'.

You're not a dog are you?  Actually, even my dog has restraint and can control himself.

And what Matt said; you have played a huge part in all this - the problems aren't external; they're internal.  I think you're immature; maybe you'll mature one-day and take responsibility for yourself and stop blaming other folk.

[Tom White]

You treat people realy well and most of them will poop on you! Fact.

I don't think that is a fact, in fact, I think the opposite is true.  As a very general rule of thumb, I think people treat us how we deserve to be treated.

And Richie may feel some superficial smugness that he 'threw his employee about', but deep down he knows it was wrong, and he knows he lacks control of himself.  

And if he can't even control himself, how the heck does he think he's going to 'control' his employees.

[rosskesava]

Richy, you never mentioned any of the above in your very first post. You referred to him as an employee and now, he's a friend.

When he's working he's an employee and treated as such and outside of work, then he's a friend. It is really very simple.

For some reason you still refuse to see your part in this and that all the blame lies elsewhere.

You refer to this friend as an idiot who you employ. Why are you employing an idiot and why do you keep him as an employee?

Above and beyond that, you lost your temper with this 'idiot'. You allowed this 'idiot' to control your emotions and actions. So who is the boss, you or him?

[paul13]

He isn't a friend he is some  one who richy has rescued
from the streets and decided to make a worker :
Did you ask this guy to work for you richy or tell him

[richywilts]

ive not posted the whole background to my friendship with this lad etc and how ive helped him out a lot in life and tried to support him when he has had tough times basically when i employed him having worked fitting upvc fascias etc i found him to be a hard worker with manuals skills, punctual and reliable. he was walking rnd homeless with two bin bags when i seen him etc so i offered him a lift and said you can come and work with me doing some roof coating jobs we had on then began introducing him to window cleaning etc

even during difficult times financially i always kept him on etc and found him things to do even thru th big freeze we had two years back, ive even bought him his provisional driving licence to try and encourage him to get his driving licence and offered him use of van at weekends to use for him and his daughter

theres a lot more too it than him just being my employee so this is why i was so annoyed that he disobeyed me when ive done notin but bend over backwards to help him in past so yes i took it a bit personal when i attacked him the other day

Richy, you can justify it any way you like, but there's no justification for your behaviour.  We just don't go attacking people.  How difficult is that to understand?  No 'ifs', no 'buts'.

You're not a dog are you?  Actually, even my dog has restraint and can control himself.

And what Matt said; you have played a huge part in all this - the problems aren't external; they're internal.  I think you're immature; maybe you'll mature one-day and take responsibility for yourself and stop blaming other folk.

how have i played a part in him taking me for a mug and skiving taking the p*ss tosh i instructed an employee to carry out a task which wasnt done yet i get the blame he mugged me off end of n got caught ya making out as if i go round hitting everyone all the time over anything if it was just the sitting off for 25 minutes id of accepted that and said dont let me catch u doing that again, but then lying on the phone too me and then going back the unit 35 mins early or watever it is was too much he took the p*ss bigtime

[richywilts]

He isn't a friend he is some  one who richy has rescued
from the streets and decided to make a worker :
Did you ask this guy to work for you richy or tell him

what are you getting at here did i ask him or tell him

[paul13]

He isn't a friend he is some  one who richy has rescued
from the streets and decided to make a worker :
Did you ask this guy to work for you richy or tell him

what are you getting at here did i ask him or tell him

My point is you seen this guy homeless and gave him a job did you provide accommodation
for him did he feel obliged to take the job offer? does he want to work for you?

[richywilts]

he had basically been binbagged by his gf had nowhere to go i didnt put him up but gave him a lift n said cum n work with me if u want get u on ya feet

[paul13]

Fair enough, guess I interpreted it wrong 

[Deangsi]

Lot of people on hear giving right poop give him a break hell if I had people taking the loss all the time id loose my rag to id like to ad he was close to hitting him but did he actually do it? No. And to be honest sometimes people need a good tellin of otherwise they won't show you any respect. Who's guna respect a weak boss ? Gud on you right for telling him how it is and catching him red handed. Exactly what id have done. As for all the people taking the p out of you all the time jelousy is a horrible thing

[rosskesava]

how have i played a part in him taking me for a mug and skiving taking the p*ss tosh i instructed an employee to carry out a task which wasnt done yet i get the blame he mugged me off end of n got caught ya making out as if i go round hitting everyone all the time over anything if it was just the sitting off for 25 minutes id of accepted that and said dont let me catch u doing that again, but then lying on the phone too me and then going back the unit 35 mins early or watever it is was too much he took the p*ss bigtime

Richy, you keep seeming to miss the point. If an employee treats you, the boss and employer, like a mug and has done so before, why didn't you act on it earlier? Why did you act in such a way, albeit unconsciously, to lead the employee to think that he could do that in the first place?

Being a manager is more than just giving orders. Making sure orders are followed is more than just simply saying do this or do that.

In the past I've employed. I would have given a final warning. I would not have lost my temper.

[Deangsi]

You treat people realy well and most of them will poop on you! Fact.

I don't think that is a fact, in fact, I think the opposite is true.  As a very general rule of thumb, I think people treat us how we deserve to be treated.

And Richie may feel some superficial smugness that he 'threw his employee about', but deep down he knows it was wrong, and he knows he lacks control of himself.  

And if he can't even control himself, how the heck does he think he's going to 'control' his employees.

if that's the cace then when people get muged they deserve to be treated that way? Plenty of people get miss treated all over the world and do they all deserve it? So back to my bit saying if you are to soft you will get mugged of is a fact. Not by everyone but there will always be someone who will take the p so keep your gaurd up and act like everyone who works for you could potentially be mugging you of. Be one step ahead of the crap imo

[paul13]

threw him about think that's assault don't you dean?

[paul13]

Lot of people on hear giving right poop give him a break hell if I had people taking the loss all the time id loose my rag to id like to ad he was close to hitting him but did he actually do it? No. And to be honest sometimes people need a good tellin of otherwise they won't show you any respect. Who's guna respect a weak boss ? Gud on you right for telling him how it is and catching him red handed. Exactly what id have done. As for all the people taking the p out of you all the time jelousy is a horrible thing

According to richy he did

[CLEANCARE WC]

flipping heck leave Richy alone! he knows he did wrong by getting physical with the chap, but other than that whats he done wrong he suspected they were skiving so he checked on them and was proven correct as he says there skiving could cost him thousands a year.

[rosskesava]

Being done for constructive dismal by the employee due to being assaulted by the boss could cost a lot more than that.

[paul13]

On reading posts I cant see any one picking on richy just giving opinions or answers
to his post have I missed it?
To be fair I have sympathy with richy employing, isn't easy but think he has to on this occation
 admit fault to be able to move on because if he doesn't  things wont change
for him am I personally attacking richy no I wish him the best not all advice can be what you want to here. IMOP