[gavinb]

If you done that to me id rip ya head off and crap in ya neck .

[richywilts]

im lucky it werent u then arent i hey cudnt have hard bar stewards like u working for me

[gavinb]

Fair enough you got a right to be angry with the skiving etc but the throwing him about was a bit uncalled for .

A boss of mine once threw a hammer at me so I threw a house brick at him .

[richywilts]

haha sure gav lamm will come along in a bit and fill u in on the lad in question hes a bit of a tool to be honest one of them people the others dont like to work with

[Window Washers]

Pay a decent wage and you won't get monkeys.
Get rid you have muppets working for you.

thats not strictly true although it sounds good to say it

[spongebob]

Rich,
You are on your way to a nervous breakdown. When you sit in the office you get paranoid that your staff are out to get you. Now you seem to be on the tools you are stalking other staff instead of working yourself. You also didnt earn or canvass while you wasted that time.
As has been mentioned he is your employee so just give this pillock loads of work to do and keep him so busy he cant chat. This would free yourself up to do the canvassing.
It aint rocket science. If you dont like him then get rid!

hold on mate im certainly not on the way to a nervous breakdown im trying to get to the bottom of a problem ive recently posted that i didnt think these were hitting high enough figures and his attitude werent write today they could have finished there work and been honest today and said were all done at 3ish they had already wasted a bit of time today getting breakfast from greggs this morning and cuming bk unit to eat there lunch for 30mins plus time to and from unit 45mins.i had suspicions that they maybe sitting off on the days without big daily amounts and waiting to cum bk to book in more hours. why shudnt i find out what im spending my money on wages on if i can reduce wage bill.



You have every right to "control" your wage bill but with all the wealth of experience you have by paying for your mistakes up to now you still seem to be paying. I havent followed the recent comments about your staff but a little look into the world of richy wilts on here every 4 to 6 months seems to reveal a similar pattern. Someone or something is always to blame for your life not going to plan.
All this detail you have gone into about greggs etc comes down to one thing.... Control. Tell them when and where they can have their lunch etc. Be the boss, not their mate. Also if this bloke is such a tool then you employed him! If you own the vans then fit them with a tracker and let them know that as well. If you have to be worrying about them while you are working yourself you will become distracted and could end up suffering through an accident and financially. I bet the guy who works with you is fed up of the moaning from you about them. This will have a knock on effect when he works with one of the others and you will end up losing all of your staff.
Good luck.

[poleman]

I employ ppl I dont like, business is just business mate, bottom line is profit

[wfp master]

haha sure gav lamm will come along in a bit and fill u in on the lad in question hes a bit of a tool to be honest one of them people the others dont like to work with

so you gave him a job oh well you will learn.

[richywilts]

window cleaning wise he is good dont get me wrong hes just difficult to work with full time coz of his personality

[SB Cleaning]

haha sure gav lamm will come along in a bit and fill u in on the lad in question hes a bit of a tool to be honest one of them people the others dont like to work with

Get rid of him then!!

Simple

[Dave Mills]

Rich,
You are on your way to a nervous breakdown. When you sit in the office you get paranoid that your staff are out to get you. Now you seem to be on the tools you are stalking other staff instead of working yourself. You also didnt earn or canvass while you wasted that time.
As has been mentioned he is your employee so just give this pillock loads of work to do and keep him so busy he cant chat. This would free yourself up to do the canvassing.
It aint rocket science. If you dont like him then get rid!

hold on mate im certainly not on the way to a nervous breakdown im trying to get to the bottom of a problem ive recently posted that i didnt think these were hitting high enough figures and his attitude werent write today they could have finished there work and been honest today and said were all done at 3ish they had already wasted a bit of time today getting breakfast from greggs this morning and cuming bk unit to eat there lunch for 30mins plus time to and from unit 45mins.i had suspicions that they maybe sitting off on the days without big daily amounts and waiting to cum bk to book in more hours. why shudnt i find out what im spending my money on wages on if i can reduce wage bill.

Its your van, its your money.

Dont mess about trailing them in fog.  Put a tracker on the van and TELL THEM.  Tell him that the next time he pulls any stunts hes on a warning.  You have to be in control.  I dont care if hes your brother, youre paying him to work for you so hes an employee.  You must tell him that youre on top of it as he clearly is happy to take the mickey.

[robertphil]

a day to remember eh

i had 1 like that when a worker  crashed and totalled the van not 5 yards from where i was sitting chewing on a sarnie


but these events are actually good news, for me i got rid soon after his fake total paralysis claim kicked in and later found out he had been keeping cash from the takings back for himself. the strange bit was the womans car he hit never followed thru with her insurance claim and i got a refund on my own insurance so i was the winner in a roundabout way
  these things hav a way of sorting themselves out Richy

[richywilts]

The perfect employee doesn't exist mate.  Good ones, bad ones, and most somewhere in between.  So he's very good on the glass but not so hot with the canvassing/quoting.  All people have their strengths and weaknesses and although I don't know you, you do come across as a perfectionist on here.
There was a time when if I didn't like someone, it was because they reminded me of a part of myself that I wasn't acknowledging.
Get rid if you really must but remember that no employee will look after things in the way you would do it yourself.

he is actually good at canvassing and gets top prices when pricing jobs i think this is the problem why i hold back from getting rid coz when he works he i good but hes one of these people who live by getting by each day scraping by moaning he always skint yet buys weed every night which doesnt effect his work he doesnt smoke it in work so havent got a problem with that, but hes very self orientated and will not put himself out for anyone, he would quite happily rape me for money if it lines his pocket but isnt prepared to go out doing extra work at weekends to help himself financially or do a bit extra at night but wants subs a week after being paid monthly etc. im glad i caught him yesterday coz now i know what the pair of them maybe up to sitting off waiting to clock off to get paid for a full days work

[Tom White]

spoke to him since n said he best not ever try and take me for a pr**k again

Er, you get on like an angry idiot, you throw an employee about, and you ask someone 'not to take you for a pr**k'?

Then why do you act like one?

what would you lot do???

I'd take a good look at myself.  Your leadership skills and man management ability is utter bonk.  You make me feel ashamed to be a window cleaner.  Please desist and take up carpet cleaning.

[richywilts]

spoke to him since n said he best not ever try and take me for a pr**k again

Er, you get on like an angry idiot, you throw an employee about, and you ask someone 'not to take you for a pr**k'?

Then why do you act like one?

what would you lot do???

I'd take a good look at myself.  Your leadership skills and man management ability is utter bonk.  You make me feel ashamed to be a window cleaner.  Please desist and take up carpet cleaning.

ashamed to be a window cleaner are you for real tosh so as a window cleaning employer i should sit there and be lied to when hes basically robbing money off me it may be an hour every day hes sitting off for so two lads at £7 per hour is £14 x 5days =£70 x 48 weeks = £3360

[*Hector*]

OY....

we don't want his sort in our ranks either Tosh 

[richywilts]

spoke to him since n said he best not ever try and take me for a pr**k again

Er, you get on like an angry idiot, you throw an employee about, and you ask someone 'not to take you for a pr**k'?

Then why do you act like one?

what would you lot do???

I'd take a good look at myself.  Your leadership skills and man management ability is utter bonk.  You make me feel ashamed to be a window cleaner.  Please desist and take up carpet cleaning.

im sorry im not u tosh who would prob go n meditate for an hour and destress like i said im usually a very placid mellow guy yet when i find out im being ripped off by staff il stand up for myself, maybe i overeacted a little i never actually hit him

[Tom White]

spoke to him since n said he best not ever try and take me for a pr**k again

Er, you get on like an angry idiot, you throw an employee about, and you ask someone 'not to take you for a pr**k'?

Then why do you act like one?

what would you lot do???

I'd take a good look at myself.  Your leadership skills and man management ability is utter bonk.  You make me feel ashamed to be a window cleaner.  Please desist and take up carpet cleaning.

ashamed to be a window cleaner are you for real tosh so as a window cleaning employer i should sit there and be lied to when hes basically robbing money off me it may be an hour every day hes sitting off for so two lads at £7 per hour is £14 x 5days =£70 x 48 weeks = £3360

You can justify it anyway you want, but your actions were wrong.  If the guy needs a warning, you give him a formal warning.  If a guy needs sacking, you sack him.  What we do not do is threaten violence; that's morally and professionally incorrect.

Listen, I spent 17 years in the army, it was only the very rare idiot manager that ever threatened me with violence.  Even shouting was frowned upon and that is only meant for battle fields and parade squares.

Often, just a quiet little word - a cold clear explanation of their failings is enough to right a problem.  There's also interviews, regular six-monthly appraisals - which highlight strengths and weaknesses - and a whole host of other leadership and management tools you can use.

Thowing someone around and getting on like an angry little man is just not acceptable - no matter what they've done - it is unjustifiable.

As a general comment, it often surprises me at how little leadership and management questions get asked for on this forum.  It's like if you pay 'em enough, they'll do what they're supposed to do.  Money isn't the only motivating factor that drives a human being.

There's an age old question, "Are leaders born or made?"  I would say some folk have natural leadership ability - Dave Morris springs to mind - from what I hear he invests in his staff and having met the bloke in person, he's a natural leader.  You are not; a good suggestion would be to invest in yourself some leadership training; there will be books on the matter, or some courses.

HTH.

[richywilts]

to be honest ive read a lot about leadership and management i prob find it difficult to implemement coz theyre my mates too to be fair the other lads listen to what i say this lad is the bad apple ive lost count of the number of times i instruct him to carry out tasks etc and they dont get completed ive even bought each staff member a diary this year to log anything they can think of as they go thru there day they think may need bringing up later on at unit so they do not forget guess which lad had a problem with this and called it as joke book.im just at my wits end with him and like ive said i lost it with him im patient guy normally this lad just doesnt seem to take on board any type of instruction hes they type of know it all i can do better than anyone else people.

[Tom White]

this lad just doesnt seem to take on board any type of instruction hes they type of know it all i can do better than anyone else people.

I bet some people could describe you as being exactly the same.  Funny that innit?

When I dealt with problem soldiers, I'd ask them to be put on a three-month-warning order (I didn't have the authority to do that myself).  Once they were on one, they had three months to rectify the problem they had around their working life.  If the problem wasn't sorted within three months, they could be discharged.

I'd gave them weekly interviews - some friendly feedback - "That was a good week", or "You need to improve in these areas".  It would all be formally documented and this would continue for the full three months.

In the few occassions I've had to do this, the problems were always rectified satisfactory on all sides.

And if these guys are your employees, they're your employees.  Don't make them your friends; they don't want to see their boss drunk in a pub acting like a tit (for example); keep a little distance - you can still be friendly, but you don't have to be their friend.