[gewindows]

Matt's not often right, but he is here.

Thats why im in the 'club'  

And that is the truth lol

[gewindows]

You obviously need to do some wfp training if you stay clear of vents. WHY are people scared of vents? If you advertise that you clean all the FRAME and glass surely you need to learn how to clean vent areas properly.

Because vents leach dirt back onto the glass. Or, if theyre open you flood the property; well the bit inside the house below the window anyway.

Of course you're going to tell us the laws of physics don't apply to KentKleen and these things never happen to you on your round. 

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Dirty vents do but clean ones dont! How do you avoid vents ? do you just clean the glass and bottom part too the frame?

[ronnie paton]

detailing is this at the top of the glass were the frame and seal are i swipe excess water leaving no water drops or excess water waiting to drip! when i rinse i them be extremly carefull to make sure when the water jets hit the glass the circle the water creates doesnt hit the frame and create the water drops you got rid off.

[Tom White]

It took me a lot longer to learn to wfp over tradding. Wfp you need to know all the frame types, all the glass types, what top frames to do and what not, unless im to fussy or over the top but trad miles easier it is simply soaping, removing and wiping away so all is left clean and dry.

Nah, you're over complicating it.

What are "all the frame types"?  There's two, good and dodgy.

Glass is glass; doesn't matter if it sheets or beads; you cover it's surface with the brush and then rinse.  Some rinse on, some off; I don't think it matters too much.  I work with a high flow rate; I rinse on 'cos the water bounces.  It's not complicated, it's just 'knowledge' - not a skill.

Trad is a skill, if you watch someone who has tradded for 20 years and compare them to someone who has just been at it a few years, you'll see the difference.  The guy who has done it for 20 years will make it look easy - it'll be a pleasure to watch.  

The difference isn't the same with WFP.

[roundbuilder]

You obviously need to do some wfp training if you stay clear of vents. WHY are people scared of vents? If you advertise that you clean all the FRAME and glass surely you need to learn how to clean vent areas properly.

Because vents leach dirt back onto the glass. Or, if theyre open you flood the property; well the bit inside the house below the window anyway.

I never go near vents and havnt from day 1. Oh thats another thing the makes me explode when a newbie touches the vents with brush or water just above so leaks in Arrrrgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg i may get done for murder some day soon, i feel sorry for my next full timer ill be training up!!

[gewindows]

Dirty vents do but clean ones dont! How do you avoid vents ? do you just clean the glass and bottom part too the frame?

I clean vents when theyre dirty with a dry brush.

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Do you advertise that you clean ALL the customers frames Mick?

[Dave Willis]

I'm off to the bog cleaning forum. Now that is a skill.

How about an nvq in leaf sweeping - it's almost the same as wfp but without the water.

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

How do you clean the frame above a vent? or are you a glass only man

[ronnie paton]

if its easy has beeing saidjust clearly brushing and rinsing why when  isee other cleaners and check there work cause i do is it sh#t, whenii first started i cleaaned all the frames and then tied missing the frames i rinsed on and off i used jets and fans and i come to a way off cleaned that you can use on all glasss to get a perfect finish.

no spots not even in the corner or down the sides.

now tosh this is why i put the topic uo cause from what is being said by some its just so easy now maybe im wrong and i over complicate it and it frustates new staff bacause they have to change they way they clean to be more meticulous??

so i would like to see how these people who say its just so easy clean there glass and i can see if it really works by cleaning that way on a job were i do ins and outs to check how good it leaves the glass

[Tom White]

I don't touch vents, never had a complaint over this.  I'm just not that fussy I suppose.  You know people retain window cleaners for reasons other than purely clean windows.  We're friendly, we don't rob them, we provide a good service, we charge a fair price that's both fair on the customer and to us, we're not too regular, we friendly, we offer a range of payment methods, and I'm good looking.

Maybe they'll weigh all that up and think a few spots or runs every now 'n' again is a fair one?

But I don't intend to start making problems for myself by cleaning vents when there's no problem with us not cleaning 'em in the first place.

[roundbuilder]

i dont advertise. Even when i canvas i dont tell them its wfp we use, i just give them a welcome letter with my details on stating that overly dirty windows sometimes take 2 or 3 cleans to bring up to speck. Most are over the top happy that i do there frames and seals. In 5 years wfp i have never had a complaint that a vent has been missed so is not an issue at all.

[gewindows]

Because its easy but that doesnt mean if you cut corners you will still leave it clean.

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

I don't touch vents, never had a complaint over this.  I'm just not that fussy I suppose.  You know people retain window cleaners for reasons other than purely clean windows.  We're friendly, we don't rob them, we provide a good service, we charge a fair price that's both fair on the customer and to us, we're not too regular, we friendly, we offer a range of payment methods, and I'm good looking.Maybe they'll weigh all that up and think a few spots or runs every now 'n' again is a fair one?

But I don't intend to start making problems for myself by cleaning vents when there's no problem with us not cleaning 'em in the first place.

Good points there. I just like to give my customers what they are paying for as we advertise that we clean ALL there frames and glass evertime we call. 

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

A video section would be great as I didnt realise how many people dont clean vents or the top edge of frames.

[Window Washers]

It took me a lot longer to learn to wfp over tradding. Wfp you need to know all the frame types, all the glass types, what top frames to do and what not, unless im to fussy or over the top but trad miles easier it is simply soaping, removing and wiping away so all is left clean and dry.

Nah, you're over complicating it.

What are "all the frame types"?  There's two, good and dodgy.

Glass is glass; doesn't matter if it sheets or beads; you cover it's surface with the brush and then rinse.  Some rinse on, some off; I don't think it matters too much.  I work with a high flow rate; I rinse on 'cos the water bounces.  It's not complicated, it's just 'knowledge' - not a skill.

Trad is a skill, if you watch someone who has tradded for 20 years and compare them to someone who has just been at it a few years, you'll see the difference.  The guy who has done it for 20 years will make it look easy - it'll be a pleasure to watch.  

The difference isn't the same with WFP.

Really Tosh
20 years will make it look easy of course maybe a little slower though. so would anyone with half a brain after a couple of years Tosh

Really it's not that hard.

Your over simplifing it, when in fact it does matter if it sheets or beads with wfp couple of examples is in time and the way it is rinsed one is quicker than the other and one takes more effort maybe you say this because you know how to do it, maybe your cant trad windows andblook at technique in awe of it I honestly don't know that answer but would make sence to your comments above.

talking about skill and knowledge as your making out trad is a skill and wfp  is knowledge ( or that's how I'm reading it) both are skills gained through knowledge and implementation of that knowledge. You do make me laugh sometimes Tosh.

With trad as said simple soap up blade off wipe edge if needed Very simple.

Not belittling trad at all as I used to do it, but its a load easier than wfp IMO

[roundbuilder]

It took me a lot longer to learn to wfp over tradding. Wfp you need to know all the frame types, all the glass types, what top frames to do and what not, unless im to fussy or over the top but trad miles easier it is simply soaping, removing and wiping away so all is left clean and dry.

Nah, you're over complicating it.

What are "all the frame types"?  There's two, good and dodgy.

Glass is glass; doesn't matter if it sheets or beads; you cover it's surface with the brush and then rinse.  Some rinse on, some off; I don't think it matters too much.  I work with a high flow rate; I rinse on 'cos the water bounces.  It's not complicated, it's just 'knowledge' - not a skill.

Trad is a skill, if you watch someone who has tradded for 20 years and compare them to someone who has just been at it a few years, you'll see the difference.  The guy who has done it for 20 years will make it look easy - it'll be a pleasure to watch.  

The difference isn't the same with WFP.

Really Tosh
20 years will make it look easy of course maybe a little slower though. so would anyone with half a brain after a couple of years Tosh

Really it's not that hard.

Your over simplifing it, when in fact it does matter if it sheets or beads with wfp couple of examples is in time and the way it is rinsed one is quicker than the other and one takes more effort maybe you say this because you know how to do it, maybe your cant trad windows andblook at technique in awe of it I honestly don't know that answer but would make sence to your comments above.

talking about skill and knowledge as your making out trad is a skill and wfp  is knowledge ( or that's how I'm reading it) both are skills gained through knowledge and implementation of that knowledge. You do make me laugh sometimes Tosh.

With trad as said simple soap up blade off wipe edge if needed Very simple.

Not belittling trad at all as I used to do it, but its a load easier than wfp IMO

Trad is much easier.hence the amount of phead dullboys out tradding it up. The amount of people i have had to let go as just cant get the hang of wfp. When was trad everyone would pick it up after a few houses and master in in a matter of days.
So many more varables wfp over trad.

[G Griffin]

Don't they teach it school, anymore?
What's happening to this country? 

[Tom White]

Not you, Griff, but I read some right old cobblers on this forum sometimes.

Makes me smile.