[richard jagger]

You tube and a video I bought.Trad and WFP.

[SPE]

I was shown by another member of staff on my first morning working for a firm.

[Dave Willis]

Groundhogs was the funniest one I ever watched, Billy Wizz on speed. Water everywhere all over the brickwork, even the lawn got watered. No tap on his system so he had to sprint everywhere to control it.

Taught myself with help from this forum - it's not exactly difficult is it? Trad requires a lot more technique.

[Window Washers]

Groundhogs was the funniest one I ever watched, Billy Wizz on speed. Water everywhere all over the brickwork, even the lawn got watered. No tap on his system so he had to sprint everywhere to control it.

Taught myself with help from this forum - it's not exactly difficult is it? Trad requires a lot more technique.

Trad IMO was a whole load easier than wfp

[Dave Willis]

What's hard about wfp?

I suppose changing end caps is quite difficult come to think of it.

[gewindows]

Groundhogs was the funniest one I ever watched, Billy Wizz on speed. Water everywhere all over the brickwork, even the lawn got watered. No tap on his system so he had to sprint everywhere to control it.

Taught myself with help from this forum - it's not exactly difficult is it? Trad requires a lot more technique.

Trad IMO was a whole load easier than wfp

Trad is simpler I guess in that all you need is a ladder, a bucket, mop, squeegee and a few cloths; admittedly thats simple, but it involved a lot more experience to get up to speed and be competent and capable.

Far prefer WFP.

[Klean07]

I spent a day working with Mr H in Tavistock Devon, the guy taught me everything I needed to know. Still helps now if I get any probs.

[Dave Willis]

Mr H?
Wasn't he the guy who invented the diy guttervac?

[Tom White]

Trad - to be good - is far more difficult than WFP.  It's an art!  Okay, anyone can squeegy a window - but to do it effortlessly, quickly, and with the minimum of scrimming is the art; that 'n' how best to use your ladders.

[Dave Willis]

The only skill in wfp is working out what causes spotting and how to avoid it. The basics my twelve year old daughter could pick up in twenty minutes.

[Frankybadboy]

Mr H?
Wasn't he the guy who invented the diy guttervac?

ye he is mate,had a meet up with the wise one when he came to briz

[Window Washers]

The only skill in wfp is working out what causes spotting and how to avoid it. The basics my twelve year old daughter could pick up in twenty minutes.

that being harder than taking water off with a blade, why do you think it is a lot of trad cleaners try wfp then go back trad( maybe because it is not as easy as its made out to be. I used to be trad years before wfp life was a load similar back then

[gewindows]

Some trad cleaners go back because they already know how to clean windows, and prefer to stay in their comfort zone rather than excel themselves and push the extra mile.

Any change requires an element of discomfort, getting complaints is probably the final nail in the coffin, not knowing or having a clue where theyre going wrong. Problems caused by trying to clean vents isn't obvious to everyone. One complaint too many and they can see it all going pear shaped so they go back to how it was, all safe and nice doing it the way theyve done it for 15 years. WFP is easier by a mile, it just requires a little more learning than trad ever did.

It is however far less skilful.

[ronnie paton]

i believe most cleaners think they clean with wfp well, but i feel there will be many who tequnique does  not leave the windows to a good standard most of the time, i can honestly say i havent seen one person cleaning and thought bet them standards are high but i have thought wow there quick.

i often check the bottoms of other cleaners when there gone(like a window cleaner spotter) and think what the f###,

how many times you gone and checked 1,2,3 floor windows?? i guess most people dont go and get the ladder off and check

also most customers dont complain, but after time they just come and make up an excuse to cancel

i would love to be wrong has training staff would be easier if WFP is so easy and a 12 year old can do it, or maybe employee muppets...........actually dont answer that  

[Dave Willis]

I can't - I don't understand it 

[gewindows]

Which part of your staffs performance are their problems Ronnie?

Runs?

Spotting?

Uncleaned sills?

Gates left open?

Rude to customers?

[Window Washers]

Some trad cleaners go back because they already know how to clean windows, and prefer to stay in their comfort zone rather than excel themselves and push the extra mile.

Any change requires an element of discomfort, getting complaints is probably the final nail in the coffin, not knowing or having a clue where theyre going wrong. Problems caused by trying to clean vents isn't obvious to everyone. One complaint too many and they can see it all going pear shaped so they go back to how it was, all safe and nice doing it the way theyve done it for 15 years. WFP is easier by a mile, it just requires a little more learning than trad ever did.

It is however far less skilful.

that statement makes no logic sense to me, if it was less skillful it would be easier to master surely, where in fact it isn't. hence why you have put it takes longer to learn

[ronnie paton]

Ian ignore my last post your quite right i was having a Ian Wicks moment lol........kidding

rise and shine...all of them, but i often get they dont clean them has good has you!

i guess the point im making is i see window cleaner 2/3 times a day and have never seen one clean the windows any were near like me.

My staff tell me im to meticulous and dont need to be which frustrates them, but i spent 6 months trying to get the reach and wash tequnique provinding the best standard of clean.

so from what i see most companies go around  cleaning windows poorly cheaply and the client thinks there getting  value for money but really there getting ripped off

[Dave Willis]

Put it another way Ian - what's difficult about scrubbing and rinsing?

Maybe I'm just naturally brilliant but I didn't find it hard to learn.

[Window Washers]

Put it another way Ian - what's difficult about scrubbing and rinsing?

Maybe I'm just naturally brilliant but I didn't find it hard to learn.

maybe you are