[ronnie paton]

dave put a vid on let us see your tequnique, i urge for your special powers

[Dave Willis]

Your right Ronnie but it's not because it's hard to master. It's because employees can't see the results of their work when they leave. Nobody waits around long enough to really check the results so if the customers don't complain then it's fine by them.
Look at the speed merchants on here with their amazing earnings - it's not skill I'm sure.

[Dave Willis]

dave put a vid on let us see your tequnique, i urge for your special powers

I'm not that sad.

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Anyone can wfp. TRUE
My five year old twins can clean ground floor windows.
The real question everyone should be asking themselves, IS
Am I any good at this WFP cleaning what ever technique you use?

How can we tell?

My Formula=

If you are good at it, you will be charging good money and never get any cancellations or can you leave them this time.
 (unless its for a death in the family etc genuine reason)

If you are bad at it you will be under charging, getting cancellations and leave it's and always be out trying to replace the work you have lost.


Simples  
Sleep Well!!

[ronnie paton]

kent not true i get cancellations and can you leave it now i know i leave the glass perfect totally spotless

look at this tequnique  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kUtq7gnG94

what are you views

[roundbuilder]

I learnt to waterfed pole on chelsea football club by the guy i bought my first round from. Sadly he didnt let the chealsea job go. He taught me to clean slow but move fast. Took me a good few weeks to get the knack.
It realy bothers me when a new starter just cant get it right, realy angers me to the point where i shout and scream. Then i give my self a chill pill and remember how long it took me to grasp.

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

From that video I cannot see your technique. A vid from the outside would be good taking a vid from start to finished rinse.
Are you pricing too high?
Are your new customers just really wanting them cleaned once? (hence the cancellations)
Something is wrong if you are getting customers cancel on a regular basis.

[ronnie paton]

mick kent that sounds like me lol

kent its not me but you can see the tequnique.no rinsing or rinsing on the glass i could not leave that window and feel confident i actually have tried this .

do any of you guys'detail' when reach and washing?

[roundbuilder]

Getting back to groundhog. I used hes advice when i was on my own working to see window cleaning as a game to see if you can get round done quicker and quicker each month. Its amaizing just how quick you can do a maintance clean.
The big thing is technique for a first clean as i belive the first clean is the only clean that realy matters with domestic as all other cleans after that are purely keeping them clean. I have some realy awkward windows that just get a squirt as cant get the brush to them that still come out well from the initial first clean.
Its heartbreaking when i lose a job after doing the first clean spending ages on it.

[gewindows]

Some trad cleaners go back because they already know how to clean windows, and prefer to stay in their comfort zone rather than excel themselves and push the extra mile.

Any change requires an element of discomfort, getting complaints is probably the final nail in the coffin, not knowing or having a clue where theyre going wrong. Problems caused by trying to clean vents isn't obvious to everyone. One complaint too many and they can see it all going pear shaped so they go back to how it was, all safe and nice doing it the way theyve done it for 15 years. WFP is easier by a mile, it just requires a little more learning than trad ever did.

It is however far less skilful.

that statement makes no logic sense to me, if it was less skillful it would be easier to master surely, where in fact it isn't. hence why you have put it takes longer to learn

Basically what I was saying Ian was that with WFP there is no skill involved, whereas there is with trad; but with WFP there are rules and suggestions to learn. There's no skill in dragging a brush over a piece of glass just rules by which you need to abide, such as steer clear of the vents etc.

The distinction is quite simple.

[Tom White]

do any of you guys'detail' when reach and washing?

What do you mean?  Do you mean detail as in what you do with a scrim after squeegying?

If so, no, what's the point in that?

[roundbuilder]

mick kent that sounds like me lol

kent its not me but you can see the tequnique.no rinsing or rinsing on the glass i could not leave that window and feel confident i actually have tried this .

do any of you guys'detail' when reach and washing?

No seriosly i bring some close to tears. I realy go into 1. Im a nightmare to poor newbies with me how f ing hard is it to push a brush in a straight motion on a window withought missing the corners, or another that pes me off is when they go over the top frame even just by a few cm's i call them all the names under the sun, im like an erupting volcano when showing the ropes on my own work.

[gewindows]

kent not true i get cancellations and can you leave it now i know i leave the glass perfect totally spotless

look at this tequnique  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kUtq7gnG94

what are you views

Cant tell from that video; all it is is some bald git running his brush up and down a piece of glass.

[Tom White]

Some trad cleaners go back because they already know how to clean windows, and prefer to stay in their comfort zone rather than excel themselves and push the extra mile.

Any change requires an element of discomfort, getting complaints is probably the final nail in the coffin, not knowing or having a clue where theyre going wrong. Problems caused by trying to clean vents isn't obvious to everyone. One complaint too many and they can see it all going pear shaped so they go back to how it was, all safe and nice doing it the way theyve done it for 15 years. WFP is easier by a mile, it just requires a little more learning than trad ever did.

It is however far less skilful.

that statement makes no logic sense to me, if it was less skillful it would be easier to master surely, where in fact it isn't. hence why you have put it takes longer to learn

Basically what I was saying Ian was that with WFP there is no skill involved, whereas there is with trad; but with WFP there are rules and suggestions to learn. There's no skill in dragging a brush over a piece of glass just rules by which you need to abide, such as steer clear of the vents etc.

The distinction is quite simple.

Matt's not often right, but he is here.  There's more technical knowledge required to use a WFP system than there is to use a squeegy, but there's a lot more skill required to learn how to use a squeegy efficiently.

[gewindows]

dave put a vid on let us see your tequnique, i urge for your special powers

I'm not that sad.

I love those guys that commentate when they're making their window cleaning vids. If videoing it isn't bad enough the neighbours get a running commentary, they must think they're nuts! lol

[Tom White]

im like an erupting volcano when showing the ropes on my own work.

Have you ever considered letting the Buddha into your life?

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Some trad cleaners go back because they already know how to clean windows, and prefer to stay in their comfort zone rather than excel themselves and push the extra mile.

Any change requires an element of discomfort, getting complaints is probably the final nail in the coffin, not knowing or having a clue where theyre going wrong. Problems caused by trying to clean vents isn't obvious to everyone. One complaint too many and they can see it all going pear shaped so they go back to how it was, all safe and nice doing it the way theyve done it for 15 years. WFP is easier by a mile, it just requires a little more learning than trad ever did.

It is however far less skilful.

that statement makes no logic sense to me, if it was less skillful it would be easier to master surely, where in fact it isn't. hence why you have put it takes longer to learn

Basically what I was saying Ian was that with WFP there is no skill involved, whereas there is with trad; but with WFP there are rules and suggestions to learn. There's no skill in dragging a brush over a piece of glass just rules by which you need to abide, such as steer clear of the vents etc. The distinction is quite simple.

You obviously need to do some wfp training if you stay clear of vents. WHY are people scared of vents? If you advertise that you clean all the FRAME and glass surely you need to learn how to clean vent areas properly.

Oh sorry I forgot there is NO skill involved with WFP

[gewindows]

do any of you guys'detail' when reach and washing?

If you seriously think that is a consideration you need to rethink how good you are at WFP.

[roundbuilder]

It took me a lot longer to learn to wfp over tradding. Wfp you need to know all the frame types, all the glass types, what top frames to do and what not, unless im to fussy or over the top but trad miles easier it is simply soaping, removing and wiping away so all is left clean and dry.

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Ronnie Dont you clean the top edge of the frame??