[P @ F]

As above , for those of you that use them , how do you find them ?
Had one and done a couple of full days with it , one minute i love it the next i hate it , i understand that there is a learning curve with it but i would love to hear how you guys find it ?

What socket is on your brush , straight or angled ?
Can they be used with either ?
What sort of tension do you do the screw up to ?

As have said i would like to keep using it as it has definately made an impact on the way i work on certain jobs so far , i just want to go back to work in the new year with the most knowledge that i can .

Cheers Rich   

[Lee GLS]

I wouldn't be without mine they are superb. I use the straight socket, I couldn't use it with the angled one. I also like mine nipped up a little so that it won't move on its own when off the glass.

Stick with it, it will speed up your work no end.

[A-W-C]

I am the original swiveler and can not in anyway work without a swivel joint i would say that it works better with an angled socket and make sure the swivel is`nt too loose have it so you can move it on the window so when you lift it off it does`nt flop  

[P @ F]

Right now there is a good start with respect to the nipping up side of things !

I notice that Lee , you use the straight brush socket and AWC you use the angled socket , what is the difference in use ?

I use the straight and am finding that at certain angles , more so at the base of the window the brush head is no longer in a good position in relation to the glass , this brings me to my next question of ....What angle do you have the QR Plastic neck set at ?

AWC , is it a Gardiner swivel that you use ?

Rich   

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Angled socket for definite, have used swivels for years & Gardiners since they were released. However, I'm not a fan of 90 degree sockets & especially so with a swivel- it doesn't work as good with a 90 degree socket IMO.

Couldn't work without one under 30ft.

[A-W-C]

Right now there is a good start with respect to the nipping up side of things !

I notice that Lee , you use the straight brush socket and AWC you use the angled socket , what is the difference in use ?

I use the straight and am finding that at certain angles , more so at the base of the window the brush head is no longer in a good position in relation to the glass , this brings me to my next question of ....What angle do you have the QR Plastic neck set at ?

AWC , is it a Gardiner swivel that you use ?

Rich   

I find it much easier to pivot the brush with the angled socket especially when reaching over conny roofs etc and i use my own made swivels always have for the past 10 years

[Lee GLS]

I like the 90 deg socket because it gives you a little extra reack over some deeper cills, i have prefered them even without the resi neck since they came out.

I did try it with the angle socket after winpro said it was better be i can tell you he is WRONG!!

its probable personal preference really.

i think my resi neck is set at the standard angle it comes at, or possibly 1 notch up if that makes sense?

[Spruce]

I loved my Gardiner swivel, but I can't get it to work if cleaning cills from the side - ie, down the side of a conservatory. Normally I run half the brush down the cill to clean the dirt off it - when the brush is rigid there's no problem but it doesn't work with a swivel.

I found the angled brush holder best and also like the swivel screw nut nipped up. Everytime I cant easily get into a corner of an upper window because of the angle I curse that I  haven't got the swivel on, but each time I come to clean the cill of the same window I know why I removed it.

[P @ F]

AWC ....Are you Gaz on here from years ago ??.....just a flashback i did have !  

Winpro , i always hated straight sockets as i was always a user of vikans , when my clx came with the straight on it i had to buckle and get on with it or source an angled one , i have now bcome fine with it ........but after what you have said , maybe there is something in the geometry of the angled socket , think i will give one a go !

Anymore for any comments ?

Rich  

[Lee GLS]

AWC ....Are you Gaz on here from years ago ??.....just a flashback i did have !  

Winpro , i always hated straight sockets as i was always a user of vikans , when my clx came with the straight on it i had to buckle and get on with it or source an angled one , i have now bcome fine with it ........but after what you have said , maybe there is something in the geometry of the angled socket , think i will give one a go !

Anymore for any comments ?

Rich  

im pretty sure that i did read (from Mr G) that the resi neck was designed for use with the straight socket.

[A-W-C]

AWC ....Are you Gaz on here from years ago ??.....just a flashback i did have ! 

Yep the one and only ! 

[P @ F]

AWC , are you pulling my leg or not ?

If you are , what happened , the last i recall you were selling a fair few of them !
Tell me you didnt miss the boat and had to watch Alex resurect your idea ?

Rich

P.S have you got a pic of your swivel as im intruiged as to if you are HE 

[P @ F]

Lee , thats what i run mine at , factory or 1 notch above , do you not get a prob with brush/glass contact ?
What brush is on your stick chap ?

Rich

[A-W-C]

AWC , are you pulling my leg or not ?

If you are , what happened , the last i recall you were selling a fair few of them !
Tell me you didnt miss the boat and had to watch Alex resurect your idea ?

Rich

P.S have you got a pic of your swivel as im intruiged as to if you are HE 

Rich ye it is me we use to have long chats on here years ago and i remember you making your first trolley system,ye unfortunately i never put the original swivel into production and so soon enough there were a few manufacturers jumping on the band wagon,i have used a few different methods for the swivel and my current ones im using have been my best and have lasted a few years and still going strong i don`t have any pics but i`ll get some on here soon for ya mate  

[Lee GLS]

Lee , thats what i run mine at , factory or 1 notch above , do you not get a prob with brush/glass contact ?
What brush is on your stick chap ?

Rich

ive not noticed any problem with brush contact, i use a medium mixed dual trim extreme.

[Lee GLS]

rich, just reading back, when you say at some angles the brush contact isnt good, is this on easy to get to windows, or ones say over a conservatory/garage ect?

[P @ F]

Lee , con / garage , im sure its the way i stand that is to blame but when space is limited i have no choice in position , whats the secret my man !!!!

Rich 

[Lee GLS]

Lee , con / garage , im sure its the way i stand that is to blame but when space is limited i have no choice in position , whats the secret my man !!!!

Rich 

i think i know what you are talking about now. When you do these window are you standing to the side of the window with the brush parallel to the top of the window? if so try rotating the brush so that it is a 90 deg to the top of the window, you should find that this is a better angle for the brush to sit flat on the glass.

[P @ F]

Lee , so you are saying that the brush at these times should be with the stock ends at the 12 and 6 o clock positions , and doing it left to right that way ?

Rich

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I have tried all the combinations of swivel/socket angle & find that an angled connection between swivel & brush gives a much better range of angles which maintain a full contact of brush on glass. I also find a much better range of use without moving my body to adapt too.

Gaz's original swivels were angled at approx 45 degree too.