[Crystal-clear]

3 connection- water in from pump, water out to reel, gas in from bottle. They are no more dangerous than a BBQ, the biggest safety issue is making sure the gas bottle is secured properly in the back of the van.

biggest safety issue is making sure the gas bottle is secured properly in the back of the van.
so there is a danger factor?

[Lee GLS]

3 connection- water in from pump, water out to reel, gas in from bottle. They are no more dangerous than a BBQ, the biggest safety issue is making sure the gas bottle is secured properly in the back of the van.

biggest safety issue is making sure the gas bottle is secured properly in the back of the van.
so there is a danger factor?

I give up, stop being an old woman and fit one 

[Rogue Trader]

i say why re-invent the wheel , cold has been good enough for us til now and it will continue to be , it is just more expense and more to go wrong. Roll on the cold mornings with cold water

[Lee GLS]

i say why re-invent the wheel , cold has been good enough for us til now and it will continue to be , it is just more expense and more to go wrong. Roll on the cold mornings with cold water

Trad used to be good enough until WFP came out 

[Spruce]

i say why re-invent the wheel , cold has been good enough for us til now and it will continue to be , it is just more expense and more to go wrong. Roll on the cold mornings with cold water

20 years ago. cleaning windows with a ladder and squeegy was the only way. 60 years ago, a chamois leather was the way to go. I'm sure that deionised water isn't the end of the window cleaning line. Maybe altrasonic cleaners will be next, who knows.

There is always the chance of a gas leak at the bottle not matter how slim, the reason why caravans always have their gas bottles on the towbar and not inside the van.
I personally would rather install an autogas Vapour tank with the inlet and outlet ports sealed behind a cover plate and vented outside. Filling would also be done outside. For those using portable refill gas bottles, this must be refilled with the bottle outside of the van.  

[Spruce]

i say why re-invent the wheel , cold has been good enough for us til now and it will continue to be , it is just more expense and more to go wrong. Roll on the cold mornings with cold water

Trad used to be good enough until WFP came out 

Sorry Lee, you got there first 

[Crystal-clear]

you see lee this is the thing , im crap at this sort of poop and i can just imagine my van blowing up and all my kit , wait a min forgot about me for a sec too  
as spuce said the word "gas leak"

[Dave Willis]

Concept20's heater runs on gas I believe.

I would also hazard a guess that caravans have the gas bottle outside to reduce the risk of inhaling the stuff whilst you sleep should there be a leak.

[Spruce]

you see lee this is the thing , im crap at this sort of poop and i can just imagine my van blowing up and all my kit , wait a min forgot about me for a sec too  
as spuce said the word "gas leak"

The gas regulator screws into the gas bottle's on/off valve and is sealed with a rubber o ring. A responsible operator will always check that o ring to make sure it hasn't started to deteriorate and crack or being damaged.
If this wasn't done each time, then their is a possibility of a gas leak if the regulator was assembled with a perished/damaged o ring. I also admit that this is based on experience in the caravan world over the past 50 years. I'm sure the quality of rubber o rings have improved during this time, but they can still be damaged during assembly.

[Dave Willis]

I normally hold my cigarette really close to the gas cylinder and watch to see if the smoke blows off course.

[Spruce]

I normally hold my cigarette really close to the gas cylinder and watch to see if the smoke blows off course.

  A match works just as well if you don't smoke.

[Rogue Trader]

re: not re-inventing the wheel,

IMO hot water is one step to far for me , most of you are one man bands and want to tinker with your systems and make your working day easier and more interesting , i cant blame you for that and if i was out every day on the tools i would probably also want to take my system to the next stage and install a boiler. However for me cold water works and works well and i have 4 vans going out every day with cold water, over 2000 happy customers (well most of them are happy anyway) that get their windows cleaned with cold water. Like i said for me adding anything to this already succesful formula is pointless for me , maybe not for some of you though. I get your point about TRAD vs WFP etc however we are not talking about a change in working practices as great as this and all the benefits this brings.

 What we are really discussing is
 
PRO

 the windows may get cleaned quicker using hot water
easier for vans to thaw on frosty mornings

CONS

more expense (initial and ongoing)
logistical headaches in installing a boiler
more to go wrong
extra responsibility re dangers of using gas (especially if you have staff)
making a good and simple money making machine more comlicated than it needs to be.

Like i said for me hot water is not a good advance for my business and i wont be doing it.

 

[Spruce]

re: not re-inventing the wheel,

IMO hot water is one step to far for me , most of you are one man bands and want to tinker with your systems and make your working day easier and more interesting , i cant blame you for that and if i was out every day on the tools i would probably also want to take my system to the next stage and install a boiler. However for me cold water works and works well and i have 4 vans going out every day with cold water, over 2000 happy customers (well most of them are happy anyway) that get their windows cleaned with cold water. Like i said for me adding anything to this already succesful formula is pointless for me , maybe not for some of you though. I get your point about TRAD vs WFP etc however we are not talking about a change in working practices as great as this and all the benefits this brings.

 What we are really discussing is
 
PRO

 the windows may get cleaned quicker using hot water
easier for vans to thaw on frosty mornings

CONS

more expense (initial and ongoing)
logistical headaches in installing a boiler
more to go wrong
extra responsibility re dangers of using gas (especially if you have staff)
making a good and simple money making machine more comlicated than it needs to be.

Like i said for me hot water is not a good advance for my business and i wont be doing it.

 

I think I would also stay away from hot water if I was in your situation.

[G Griffin]

Gas, bottle, bottle, gas.
Jus' like that.

[jarvy]

Good god,i was searching what sticker to use if carrying a gas bottle,found the rules on it and am now taking mine out!!
http://www.bcga.co.uk/preview/publications/L12005.pdf

[Window Washers]

re: not re-inventing the wheel,

IMO hot water is one step to far for me , most of you are one man bands and want to tinker with your systems and make your working day easier and more interesting , i cant blame you for that and if i was out every day on the tools i would probably also want to take my system to the next stage and install a boiler. However for me cold water works and works well and i have 4 vans going out every day with cold water, over 2000 happy customers (well most of them are happy anyway) that get their windows cleaned with cold water. Like i said for me adding anything to this already succesful formula is pointless for me , maybe not for some of you though. I get your point about TRAD vs WFP etc however we are not talking about a change in working practices as great as this and all the benefits this brings.

 What we are really discussing is
 
PRO

 the windows may get cleaned quicker using hot water
easier for vans to thaw on frosty mornings

CONS

more expense (initial and ongoing)
logistical headaches in installing a boiler
more to go wrong
extra responsibility re dangers of using gas (especially if you have staff)
making a good and simple money making machine more comlicated than it needs to be.

Like i said for me hot water is not a good advance for my business and i wont be doing it.

 

very good points, great post . have you looked into it at all even though you are clearly not going to use it!  I'm temped for the reasons I said above but it will come down to if it profits me or not because I agree with most of what you have written and has stopped me from doing it.

Healthy debate anyone no the extra profits involved.

[colin purewater]

I use hot wash  its awesome!!


Balls to all the safety crap I've got half
A ton of water behind me  and a tank
Full of fuel with me every day!!

If i crash the chances of the gas getting me
1st Is very small ...

Ill be flat as a pancake off the tank!

[Dave Willis]

Good god,i was searching what sticker to use if carrying a gas bottle,found the rules on it and am now taking mine out!!
http://www.bcga.co.uk/preview/publications/L12005.pdf

Oh god! How will I get the barbecue gas home now? I must book myself on another training course before the Summer.

Hey, that could be day five on the NVQ course - how to use a hot system.  Kerrrching!

[Window Washers]

Good god,i was searching what sticker to use if carrying a gas bottle,found the rules on it and am now taking mine out!!
http://www.bcga.co.uk/preview/publications/L12005.pdf

Oh god! How will I get the barbecue gas home now? I must book myself on another training course before the Summer.

Hey, that could be day five on the NVQ course - how to use a hot system.  Kerrrching!

^_^ boring

[bobplum]

Good god,i was searching what sticker to use if carrying a gas bottle,found the rules on it and am now taking mine out!!
http://www.bcga.co.uk/preview/publications/L12005.pdf

Oh god! How will I get the barbecue gas home now? I must book myself on another training course before the Summer.

Hey, that could be day five on the NVQ course - how to use a hot system.  Kerrrching!

i take it you dont like courses