[Frankybadboy]

so every flat roofer i see replacing a leaking falt roof is breaking the law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



aload of leaking roof then

[Alex Wingrove]

Accidents can and do have, but that isnt a good enough reason to stop using flat roofs

[Alex Wingrove]

so every flat roofer i see replacing a leaking falt roof is breaking the law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



aload of leaking roof then

Did Andrew say that it was a criminal offence to work off a flat roof? I dont think he did

[Frankybadboy]

so every flat roofer i see replacing a leaking falt roof is breaking the law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



aload of leaking roof then

Did Andrew say that it was a criminal offence to work off a flat roof? I dont think he did

he got to get up there somehow. ;)and does scaffold get used on dommestic houses.

[Moderator David@stives]

I don't think a higher IQ would of helped on this one, or the hundreds who fall each year

[stuart mc]

so every flat roofer i see replacing a leaking falt roof is breaking the law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



aload of leaking roof then

Did Andrew say that it was a criminal offence to work off a flat roof? I dont think he did

no he said the law was clear, when it isn't

[Steve Sed]

so every flat roofer i see replacing a leaking falt roof is breaking the law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



aload of leaking roof then

Did Andrew say that it was a criminal offence to work off a flat roof? I dont think he did

Pretty much:

"The key is having an understanding of the law
Not working from flat roofs
Correct signage and positioning of cones and signs
Creating safety zones
Working within law and health and safety guidance
This includes ladder and water fed pole"

[Alex Wingrove]

so every flat roofer i see replacing a leaking falt roof is breaking the law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



aload of leaking roof then

Did Andrew say that it was a criminal offence to work off a flat roof? I dont think he did

Pretty much:

"The key is having an understanding of the law
Not working from flat roofs
Correct signage and positioning of cones and signs
Creating safety zones
Working within law and health and safety guidance
This includes ladder and water fed pole"

So no then. It seems its just a pejorative opinion.

I wont stop using flat roofs

[[GQC] Tim]

I don't think a higher IQ would of helped on this one, or the hundreds who fall each year

You are right on that one, common sense would have, even people with a high IQ don't necessarily have that.

Walking around of a leaf covered roof, with no idea what is underneath, whether there are hazards or if the roof would have been structurally sound should have rang alarm bells everywhere!  
This is about safely accessing a roof and working safely off of it and the HSE point of view on this.

This flat roof malarkey really reminds me of Ionic's zero ppb marketing, but then in H&S!!

[Steve Sed]

Do hundreds of window cleaners fall off of flat roofs each year?

[stuart mc]

Do hundreds of window cleaners fall off of flat roofs each year?

millions

[Moderator David@stives]

Short-duration work on flat roofs
‘Short duration’ means a matter of minutes rather than hours. It includes such
jobs as brief inspections or minor adjustment to a television aerial. Work on a flat
roof is still dangerous even if it only lasts a short time. Appropriate safety
measures are essential.
It may not be reasonably practicable to provide edge protection during shortduration work. The minimum requirements for short-duration work on a roof are:
■ a safe means of access to the roof level; and
■ a safe means of working on the roof – a harness with a sufficiently short lanyard
that it prevents the wearer from reaching a position from which they could fall
and attached to a secure anchorage.
Where safety harnesses are used they must be:
■ appropriate for the user and in good condition;
■ securely attached to an anchorage point of sufficient strength; and
■ actually used – tight management discipline is needed to ensure this.

[Moderator David@stives]

Guidance from HSE site

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg284.pdf

[Steve Sed]

Guidance from HSE site

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg284.pdf

I quoted this on the other thread to show David Willis that working on flat roofs did not breach HSE guidelines.

[Frankybadboy]

me need to get on a course i think,when you coming to bristol

[LBWCS]

To summarise if I want to clean a window safely on a flat roof I can. If I'm paying someone its far too dangerous, not if they fall, but if they sue

[king marko]

This is the reason I'll only ever work on pitched & thatched roofs  
Flat roofs are way too dangerous

[Dave Willis]

What would have happened if the Earth had indeed turned out to be flat?

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

believe it or not on an estate I work on. There are 2 trad windowcleaner who have to work off pitched roof/canopies everyday on nearly every house. its scary to watch!!!!! ladders up, onto the roof then clean all the front top windows whilst trying to keep there balance.

His price to pay would certainly not been able to work for a good while. Why do people still take these risks. 

[Smudger]

there you have it Kent - for some reason people still think its Macho to risk life and limb and your just a wimp
for thinking safety.

now ask the engineers i know who have lost an eye because they thought it was wimpy to wear safety googles  :

Darran