[bobplum]

just had a email offering a full system,hot water type from concept20,deposit £3900 then £58.00 a month to more or less rent there systems over a 3 year period
anyone else had this email offer

[andyM]

just had a email offering a full system,hot water type from concept20,deposit £3900 then £58.00 a month to more or less rent there systems over a 3 year period
anyone else had this email offer

Think it's deposit of £3900 plus  £56 per week + 20% vat.

[Smudger]

 

[bobplum]

just had a email offering a full system,hot water type from concept20,deposit £3900 then £58.00 a month to more or less rent there systems over a 3 year period
anyone else had this email offer

Think it's deposit of £3900 plus  £56 per week + 20% vat.

sorry yes thats right

[Richard iSparkle]

I've had it.  they're offering basically to lease equipment out to people, with the option to buy at the end, or continue after 3 years with a new system.  they are trying to help people buy their systems as practically everyone is getting turned down when they try to arrange leases through the usual channels.  I think it sounds a good deal.

[Smudger]

yeah right - them and wonga are all heart !

works out something like 15k

Darran

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I've had it.  they're offering basically to lease equipment out to people, with the option to buy at the end, or continue after 3 years with a new system.  they are trying to help people buy their systems as practically everyone is getting turned down when they try to arrange leases through the usual channels.  I think it sounds a good deal.

Well you would, Mr. £400 a day Concept 2o man!

[mick hay]

When i read tha e mail 1st, i thought it included a van cos of the cost.

Then read it again!!! 

[Tom White]

This is aimed at window cleaners with more credit than sense; I'd avoid it.

[Richard iSparkle]

This is aimed at window cleaners with more credit than sense; I'd avoid it.

i think in fairness it's aimed at the opposite Tosh!  It's aimed at people who arent able to get credit but want a quality hot wash system

[Richard iSparkle]

I've had it.  they're offering basically to lease equipment out to people, with the option to buy at the end, or continue after 3 years with a new system.  they are trying to help people buy their systems as practically everyone is getting turned down when they try to arrange leases through the usual channels.  I think it sounds a good deal.

Well you would, Mr. £400 a day Concept 2o man!

What do you mean?  I think it suits people who want to own a top quality system, off a company who offer outstanding support.

if you're happy to build your own system and have the confidence to do that, then this isn't for you.  for people like me who want to run a business, and not have to worry about equipment hassles, it's an interesting offer.  especially if they can't secure a lease or a loan through normal channels.

[Richard iSparkle]

Aimed at someone who can't get credit?  Well I suppose if desperate it might do.  However, if someone can't get credit, surely they would be trying to get the reliable transport first.

they need both don't they!  if they can't afford a van it's a bike and ladder job! 

[Richard iSparkle]

I've had it.  they're offering basically to lease equipment out to people, with the option to buy at the end, or continue after 3 years with a new system.  they are trying to help people buy their systems as practically everyone is getting turned down when they try to arrange leases through the usual channels.  I think it sounds a good deal.

Well you would, Mr. £400 a day Concept 2o man!

and it was £428 yesterday by the way! 

[Smudger]

i think it aims at those who cant get credit - which is a lot these days the way the banks are working
but with 3900 quid down - surely you could buy a system for that ?

the ongoing costs are IMO horrific and not justified for the number of days i couldn't work due to cold
weather and lets face it if the weather is that bad you probably couldn't get around safely in a van anyway.

each to their own, but i think that would be such an unnessary drain on a business it could help you going bust
rather than moving you forward

Darran

[Richard iSparkle]

i think it aims at those who cant get credit - which is a lot these days the way the banks are working
but with 3900 quid down - surely you could buy a system for that ?

the ongoing costs are IMO horrific and not justified for the number of days i couldn't work due to cold
weather and lets face it if the weather is that bad you probably couldn't get around safely in a van anyway.

each to their own, but i think that would be such an unnessary drain on a business it could help you going bust
rather than moving you forward

Darran

You're right Smudger.  It's not a cheap system, and on price you will always get cheaper prices by buying and building yourself.  For people like me who don't want to have the hassle of buying and building myself, and all the problems that would bring me...  i would rather concentrate on building my business and running it, and pay someone to build me a great reliable system.  horses for courses

[Perfect Windows]

You're right Smudger.  It's not a cheap system, and on price you will always get cheaper prices by buying and building yourself.  For people like me who don't want to have the hassle of buying and building myself, and all the problems that would bring me...  i would rather concentrate on building my business and running it, and pay someone to build me a great reliable system.  horses for courses

Forgive me for disagreeing with you (I don't think I have before) but you could get a crash-tested 600 litre pure2o system for £3,642 inc VAT fitted.  Add good hosereels, hose, and a couple of good poles and you're probably adding another £1,000.  So, for a little less than the down payment (~£4,700 inc VAT), you have a professionally made, professionally fitted system.  Then you just set about saving £70 a week by not paying Concept.  Yes, it's cold rather than hot but so what?  I've worked cold, as have most people on here and it's perfectly workable for all but a week or two a year.  If you needed to, you could put the £70 a week into a pot and buy a professionally fitted hot system after 40 weeks ready for the next winter.

No DIY, no bodging and save a fortune.

I think it's a terrible deal, to be honest.

Vin

[Richard iSparkle]

You're right Smudger.  It's not a cheap system, and on price you will always get cheaper prices by buying and building yourself.  For people like me who don't want to have the hassle of buying and building myself, and all the problems that would bring me...  i would rather concentrate on building my business and running it, and pay someone to build me a great reliable system.  horses for courses

Forgive me for disagreeing with you (I don't think I have before) but you could get a crash-tested 600 litre pure2o system for £3,642 inc VAT fitted.  Add good hosereels, hose, and a couple of good poles and you're probably adding another £1,000.  So, for a little less than the down payment (~£4,700 inc VAT), you have a professionally made, professionally fitted system.  Then you just set about saving £70 a week by not paying Concept.  Yes, it's cold rather than hot but so what?  I've worked cold, as have most people on here and it's perfectly workable for all but a week or two a year.  If you needed to, you could put the £70 a week into a pot and buy a professionally fitted hot system after 40 weeks ready for the next winter.

No DIY, no bodging and save a fortune.

I think it's a terrible deal, to be honest.

Vin

Hey Vin,

I guess for people who want to buy a Concept 2O system, for whatever reason they might, this is an interesting offer.

People who are not looking to buy a Concept 2O system, or for that matter another, shall we say 'Prestige' system, will not see this offer and decide to buy one.

It is like cars, some poeple want a mercedes and would say the quality of drive you get, the customer service, the aftercare, the safety etc etc make it a great deal and a great car.  others would say you get exactly the same from a 2nd hand ford focus.  when it comes to cars...  i bought a 3 year old ford focus because it does what i need it to do.  when it came to my business i bought concept 2O

[Perfect Windows]

Hey Vin,

I guess for people who want to buy a Concept 2O system, for whatever reason they might, this is an interesting offer.

People who are not looking to buy a Concept 2O system, or for that matter another, shall we say 'Prestige' system, will not see this offer and decide to buy one.

It is like cars, some poeple want a mercedes and would say the quality of drive you get, the customer service, the aftercare, the safety etc etc make it a great deal and a great car.  others would say you get exactly the same from a 2nd hand ford focus.  when it comes to cars...  i bought a 3 year old ford focus because it does what i need it to do.  when it came to my business i bought concept 2O

Pure2O is not a second hand ford focus. It's a professionally fitted, crash-tested system built by Ionics.  Yes, the tank frame is normal steel rather than Ionics' stainless but I'm sure people would live with that.

I know who you're talking about with the cheaper systems.  I'm not comparing Concept 2O with them.

By the way, I'm not a user or supporter of Pure2O - I have a Gardiners system (the one they sold a couple of years ago before spinning it off to Grippamax, also crash tested and fitted)).  Gardiners (via Grippamax) prices are similar, just that the Pure2O exact pricing was quicker to find.

If Concept 2O is Mercedes, then so is Gardiners and Pure2O.  I think most people would consider them very much to be prestige.  And they both sell a 600 litre system with all accessories for around the deposit on the Concept 2O.

Vin

[Richard iSparkle]

Hey Vin,

I guess for people who want to buy a Concept 2O system, for whatever reason they might, this is an interesting offer.

People who are not looking to buy a Concept 2O system, or for that matter another, shall we say 'Prestige' system, will not see this offer and decide to buy one.

It is like cars, some poeple want a mercedes and would say the quality of drive you get, the customer service, the aftercare, the safety etc etc make it a great deal and a great car.  others would say you get exactly the same from a 2nd hand ford focus.  when it comes to cars...  i bought a 3 year old ford focus because it does what i need it to do.  when it came to my business i bought concept 2O

Pure2O is not a second hand ford focus. It's a professionally fitted, crash-tested system built by Ionics.  Yes, the tank frame is normal steel rather than Ionics' stainless but I'm sure people would live with that.

I know who you're talking about with the cheaper systems.  I'm not comparing Concept 2O with them.

By the way, I'm not a user or supporter of Pure2O - I have a Gardiners system (the one they sold a couple of years ago before spinning it off to Grippamax, also crash tested and fitted)).  Gardiners (via Grippamax) prices are similar, just that the Pure2O exact pricing was quicker to find.

If Concept 2O is Mercedes, then so is Gardiners and Pure2O.  I think most people would consider them very much to be prestige.  And they both sell a 600 litre system with all accessories for around the deposit on the Concept 2O.

Vin

Good points Vin.

I'm not knowledgeable about Ionics systems or Pure 2O.

Gardiner's are a company who I like to deal with and I hold them in very high regard.  Grippa are good from my dealings too, tho they are relatively new on the scene arent they for systems?  I don't honestly know about their systems.

As far as I am aware a great deal of the price difference in systems of Concept 2O systems comes from the very high quality steel frame.  I know they are obsessive about safety, reliability and durability of their systems.  This is because they run a seriously efficient window cleaning business themselves, serving serious numbers of customers everyday.  they just can't operate a business on their scale without these standards.  maybe for people who don't serve so many customers this system would be over spec?

[millennium-wc]

As Tosh rightly described, i was once one of those window cleaners with "more credit then sense", and i bought a concept2o system. Worst mistake of my life. I finally got rid of it last month (not to some poor clueless window cleaner like me, but to the hard nosed finance company).

Although majorly out of pocket now, it the best decision i made.

This system does nothing better then any other one out there, its not crash tested, its just very shiny! And for me, unlike Richard Speech, the process wasnt hassle free.

The next time i want a "professional" system i will go to the professionals like Ionics or Freedom and get something not shiny, but safely fitted, and something that works all day.

Obviously everyone can make their own decision, and has their own opinion. Sounds like Richard has had no probs. I would encourage anyone thnking of any  system to thouroughly do your homework.

The lesson i have learned is its not any system that earns you money-a Concept2o will not earn you more then a DIY or gardiners or anything.At the end of the day its just 2 tanks a pump and a controller. Its your mindset and as always its down to profit-keeping costs down!