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supernova77

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Just seen this on eBay...
« on: November 03, 2012, 05:44:46 pm »
Just seen this on eBay:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/window-cleaning-van-and-round-/130795694113?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item1e7407e821

A 900L tank in a Nissan Vanette ?!??

£1800 worth of work per month...

Any offers over £10k ?!??    You're having a laugh!  :o

Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2012, 05:51:28 pm »
Its was on e bay before August. It looks like a pile of crap. I wonder what keeps the tank in place.

dave0123

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2012, 05:55:32 pm »
Lol!

seen that the other day! 10k for a death trap and some work.. no thanks
Dave.

Dan crowther

Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2012, 06:07:10 pm »
If its all wfp work that's well priced and as stated it is well established then 10k isn't too bad a price for the work alone...5 and a bit cleans. Many rounds in some areas are going for more than this. A van too with all equipment needed apart from a tank that obviously needs replacing. Must be worth a look at least, if someone is looking for work and a van. If all is genuine and in good order then it seems a fairly good price to me...or am I missing something. Although I do agree that the tank alone would make me think twice about the whole thing.

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2012, 08:15:02 am »
So you get £21,600 worth of (established) work annually, and all the equipment needed to do the job?

I'll be honest & say that looks like a bargain to me - anyone with redundancy money & a bit of motivation could get that van sorted out & expand on the round easy enough - a ready made business for 10k would appeal to many I reckon!

elite mike

Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2012, 08:58:13 am »
So you get £21,600 worth of (established) work annually, and all the equipment needed to do the job?

I'll be honest & say that looks like a bargain to me - anyone with redundancy money & a bit of motivation could get that van sorted out & expand on the round easy enough - a ready made business for 10k would appeal to many I reckon!

better than any franchise for the money for sure .

Spruce

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2012, 09:12:23 am »
So you get £21,600 worth of (established) work annually, and all the equipment needed to do the job?

I'll be honest & say that looks like a bargain to me - anyone with redundancy money & a bit of motivation could get that van sorted out & expand on the round easy enough - a ready made business for 10k would appeal to many I reckon!

I agree. I think the problem is that the quality of the round is being judged by the 'state' of the van - non secured tank, cheap hose reel etc. and they may well be right.

However, the area his work is in also is not known for it's affluence, being a very run down old coal mining area with little other industry (apart from Walker Crisps) and high unemployment, so anyone looking at this must thoroughly investigate exactly what is for sale and what the potential is. If the £1800 turnover a month consists of 3 bed semi's in areas where £5.00 - £6.00 is just possible with 'no money today but pay you Friday' customers, then it is going to be hard work for the money.

I can't believe he has any well paying work in Wynyard Park as I'm not sure that they would let a van like that in through the control gates.

So the question is - why is he selling?
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

dave0123

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2012, 03:59:30 pm »
well if its been on there as early as august its obviously not as good as it sounds is it..
Dave.

Mike #1

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2012, 04:15:00 pm »
So you get £21,600 worth of (established) work annually, and all the equipment needed to do the job?

I'll be honest & say that looks like a bargain to me - anyone with redundancy money & a bit of motivation could get that van sorted out & expand on the round easy enough - a ready made business for 10k would appeal to many I reckon!

I agree. I think the problem is that the quality of the round is being judged by the 'state' of the van - non secured tank, cheap hose reel etc. and they may well be right.

However, the area his work is in also is not known for it's affluence, being a very run down old coal mining area with little other industry (apart from Walker Crisps) and high unemployment, so anyone looking at this must thoroughly investigate exactly what is for sale and what the potential is. If the £1800 turnover a month consists of 3 bed semi's in areas where £5.00 - £6.00 is just possible with 'no money today but pay you Friday' customers, then it is going to be hard work for the money.

I can't believe he has any well paying work in Wynyard Park as I'm not sure that would let a van like that in through the control gates.

So the question is - why is he selling?

Spruce you know the area well were are you based i live near Spennymoor . Mike

Spruce

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2012, 12:55:17 pm »
So you get £21,600 worth of (established) work annually, and all the equipment needed to do the job?

I'll be honest & say that looks like a bargain to me - anyone with redundancy money & a bit of motivation could get that van sorted out & expand on the round easy enough - a ready made business for 10k would appeal to many I reckon!

I agree. I think the problem is that the quality of the round is being judged by the 'state' of the van - non secured tank, cheap hose reel etc. and they may well be right.


However, the area his work is in also is not known for it's affluence, being a very run down old coal mining area with little other industry (apart from Walker Crisps) and high unemployment, so anyone looking at this must thoroughly investigate exactly what is for sale and what the potential is. If the £1800 turnover a month consists of 3 bed semi's in areas where £5.00 - £6.00 is just possible with 'no money today but pay you Friday' customers, then it is going to be hard work for the money.

I can't believe he has any well paying work in Wynyard Park as I'm not sure that would let a van like that in through the control gates.

So the question is - why is he selling?

Spruce you know the area well were are you based i live near Spennymoor . Mike

Hi Mike,

Saltburn by the Sea.

In my experience, the motor dealerships tend to struggle in Peterlee and Hartlepool selling good quality, nearly new used cars for this same reason. 'Bangers' are more sort after because that's all people can afford.

There is a lot of big business in Hartlepool back toward Stockton, but the 'wealth' doesn't filter down to the employees as sales revenue is received out of the area. Most seem to be on a minimum wage with bonuses. The Peterlee Industrial Estate always seemed to be like a ghost town, the idea place to have a quite holiday close to home.
I don't know how Spennymoor is doing these days - they forecast gloom many years ago when Black & Decker and someone else (Hoover was it?) moved out of the area.

On our side we battle with pricing in Skelton (nr Saltburn) but Loftus is even worse due to their high unemployment rate. We have a few customers on disability who have 1 bedroom flats which at one time were good money (bay window plus single window) at £5. Get the brush up and a run of them could be done in a few minutes - money was always to hand, paid on the day. Nowdays they never have money and to be honest most who owe won't be done again when we finally get paid.

Guisborough is interesting as we don't do too badly pricing wise for the North East, but the council house area is generally the pits again with regard to pricing and payment.

This is why I feel that anyone forking out that money must investigate the rounds true potential.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Spruce

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2012, 01:08:41 pm »
Oops! I see the area details have been removed and the monthly income from the round lowered to £1600 from £1800.

Maybe an impression of the work developing here that matches the impression I already have from the van
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Crystal-clear

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2012, 04:33:11 pm »
So you get £21,600 worth of (established) work annually, and all the equipment needed to do the job?

I'll be honest & say that looks like a bargain to me - anyone with redundancy money & a bit of motivation could get that van sorted out & expand on the round easy enough - a ready made business for 10k would appeal to many I reckon!

I agree. I think the problem is that the quality of the round is being judged by the 'state' of the van - non secured tank, cheap hose reel etc. and they may well be right.

However, the area his work is in also is not known for it's affluence, being a very run down old coal mining area with little other industry (apart from Walker Crisps) and high unemployment, so anyone looking at this must thoroughly investigate exactly what is for sale and what the potential is. If the £1800 turnover a month consists of 3 bed semi's in areas where £5.00 - £6.00 is just possible with 'no money today but pay you Friday' customers, then it is going to be hard work for the money.

I can't believe he has any well paying work in Wynyard Park as I'm not sure that they would let a van like that in through the control gates.

So the question is - why is he selling?

good post but £5-£6 !! thats too much that be with a small cony its more like £3.50 - £4 :)
thing is at those prices they will never ever cancel you will get the no money thing thou

davids3511

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2012, 04:49:49 pm »
So you get £21,600 worth of (established) work annually, and all the equipment needed to do the job?

I'll be honest & say that looks like a bargain to me - anyone with redundancy money & a bit of motivation could get that van sorted out & expand on the round easy enough - a ready made business for 10k would appeal to many I reckon!

better than any franchise for the money for sure .
My guy turns over more than that AFTER my fee is deducted. Substantially more.

Spruce

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2012, 05:08:24 pm »
So you get £21,600 worth of (established) work annually, and all the equipment needed to do the job?

I'll be honest & say that looks like a bargain to me - anyone with redundancy money & a bit of motivation could get that van sorted out & expand on the round easy enough - a ready made business for 10k would appeal to many I reckon!

better than any franchise for the money for sure .
My guy turns over more than that AFTER my fee is deducted.

The North East isn't renowned for good window cleaning prices. If there are two of them achieving £19k (figures have been altered from £21.6) then I have to ask them why they haven't developed it. (I presume there are 2 of them as there are 2 pumps and a second pole leaning up against the wall behind the open door although I only see 1 hose reel.) At £800.00 each I can understand why they want to sell it.

Maybe, just maybe, they are too busy with the type of customers that won't be making them any money. My personal take on this is that I'm starting to get the feeling the round isn't worth much.

I recon anyone starting up would be better to buy their own van and have a properly fitted system and canvass their own area at their pricing.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Mike #1

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2012, 06:00:15 pm »
Hi Spruce as far as my custys go Spennymoor is not fairing to bad i took a big hit about 3-4 yrs ago and lost £150 a month as custys changed from a 2 wk to a 4 wk cleaning schedule which is the norm now .

Yes black & Decker and Electrolux moved abroad which affected the town but in the past 4 yrs  4 new housing estates have been built are still been built so their is plenty of work to be had .

Although i am the most expensive window cleaner in the town so some go with the cheaper lads but we all speak to each other so things are pretty good .

Saltburn is nice place good beach and been to the rally driving place . Mike

Spruce

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2012, 07:52:27 pm »
Hi Spruce as far as my custys go Spennymoor is not fairing to bad i took a big hit about 3-4 yrs ago and lost £150 a month as custys changed from a 2 wk to a 4 wk cleaning schedule which is the norm now .

Yes black & Decker and Electrolux moved abroad which affected the town but in the past 4 yrs  4 new housing estates have been built are still been built so their is plenty of work to be had .

Although i am the most expensive window cleaner in the town so some go with the cheaper lads but we all speak to each other so things are pretty good .

Saltburn is nice place good beach and been to the rally driving place . Mike

 Hi Mike

Electrolux - of course; memory is going. I visited the B&D factory about 18 years ago and they had already started the winding down process then - large areas in the factory were empty. I couldn't get my head round the reason why they were moving abroad.

A 1/2" 2 speed 500watt Black & Decker impact drill with a 13mm chuck was costing them £7.92 to manufacture in 1995. I couldn't believe they calculated they could save production costs and make more money by moving a whole production line, machines and all to other country to make them cheaper than that. I've just remembered that B&D got a Government injection that 'perusaded' them to keep the factory open, which they did without any machinery. They converted a tiny section of the factory into a 'refurbishment' center and workshops. Country wide B & Decker then sold it's service centers to their accountant (a really nice guy) and service director at the end of 1995 who 'streamlined' the business.

Saltburn has a lovely beach - pity the whole coastline has a sewerage problem which isn't good for surfers - doesn't stop them though. It jolly cold in the winter. Usually you can find me down by the pier at low tide in the evening throwing a ball for the dog under the lights freezing my proverbials off.

 I've never been to the rally school just next to the Brotton Golf Club, but many know the owners and it has country wide recognition as a goodun. The golf club makes a nice meal at a reasonable price, so have been there on a few occassions. Lovely view as well.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Mike #1

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2012, 06:38:47 am »
Talking about the sewage problem just as well i decided not to eat the mussels the niece and nephew collected last time we were their then  ;D ;D. Mike

Panorama

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2012, 11:42:54 pm »
I work In Hartlepool and I have seen this van at the north end of the town ( clavering estate) regarding pricing , I'm currently getting £8 for a 3 bed semi without conny, which is in the middle price scale in Hartlepool

Spruce

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2012, 11:54:02 am »
I work In Hartlepool and I have seen this van at the north end of the town ( clavering estate) regarding pricing , I'm currently getting £8 for a 3 bed semi without conny, which is in the middle price scale in Hartlepool

Cheers for that. These little pricing pointers are always helpful. Thanks. How do you manage with water in Hartlepool, its horrible?
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Panorama

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Re: Just seen this on eBay...
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2012, 11:54:45 pm »
Hi spruce, I run 2 DI vessels after RO , just bought new filters for RO and I can produce about 600 lts before it starts to creep up. I won't let it go over 005 ppm. It's 485 ppm before RO