[Mike #1]

Comparing against slx the weights are almost identical . Mike

[wfp master]

Do those prices include VAT and delivery ?

no for the 22ft hybrid it comes to £143 all in. hot a bad price.

[Alex Gardiner]

Comparing against slx the weights are almost identical . Mike

I have the Phoenix X full-carbon poles and they are heavier than as advertised on the information posted above. The actual weights of the bare Phoenix full carbon poles are below:

Phoenix X 22 Full Carbon = 1.36kg (advertised as 1.2kg)
Phoenix X 26UL (actual length under 25ft) Full Carbon = 1.45kg (advertised as 1.3kg)

So the actual weights are not as close as they appear from the 'published specs'.

[ben M]

Comparing against slx the weights are almost identical . Mike

I have the Phoenix X full-carbon poles and they are heavier than as advertised on the information posted above. The actual weights of the bare Phoenix full carbon poles are below:

Phoenix X 22 Full Carbon = 1.36kg (advertised as 1.2kg)
Phoenix X 26UL (actual length under 25ft) Full Carbon = 1.45kg (advertised as 1.3kg)

So the actual weights are not as close as they appear from the 'published specs'.

very unprofessional from facelift!

[Halfadaylee]

Comparing against slx the weights are almost identical . Mike

I have the Phoenix X full-carbon poles and they are heavier than as advertised on the information posted above. The actual weights of the bare Phoenix full carbon poles are below:

Phoenix X 22 Full Carbon = 1.36kg (advertised as 1.2kg)
Phoenix X 26UL (actual length under 25ft) Full Carbon = 1.45kg (advertised as 1.3kg)

So the actual weights are not as close as they appear from the 'published specs'.

Have you got what's available to buy? I thought they had sent you preproduction and tried to pass them off the final product
Art

[Alex Gardiner]

Comparing against slx the weights are almost identical . Mike

I have the Phoenix X full-carbon poles and they are heavier than as advertised on the information posted above. The actual weights of the bare Phoenix full carbon poles are below:

Phoenix X 22 Full Carbon = 1.36kg (advertised as 1.2kg)
Phoenix X 26UL (actual length under 25ft) Full Carbon = 1.45kg (advertised as 1.3kg)

So the actual weights are not as close as they appear from the 'published specs'.

Have you got what's available to buy? I thought they had sent you preproduction and tried to pass them off the final product
Art

We did apparently buy pre-production items from a retailers website - which was quite a strange episode!

These have since been exchanged by the retailer for 'production' items which as it happens are exactly the same weights as the pre-production versions.

[Halfadaylee]

Comparing against slx the weights are almost identical . Mike

I have the Phoenix X full-carbon poles and they are heavier than as advertised on the information posted above. The actual weights of the bare Phoenix full carbon poles are below:

Phoenix X 22 Full Carbon = 1.36kg (advertised as 1.2kg)
Phoenix X 26UL (actual length under 25ft) Full Carbon = 1.45kg (advertised as 1.3kg)

So the actual weights are not as close as they appear from the 'published specs'.

Have you got what's available to buy? I thought they had sent you preproduction and tried to pass them off the final product
Art

We did apparently buy pre-production items from a retailers website - which was quite a strange episode!

These have since been exchanged by the retailer for 'production' items which as it happens are exactly the same weights as the pre-production versions.

It seems everything to do with them is strange.
Nice that they are trying to give you a run for your money though
Art

[Alex Gardiner]

Comparing against slx the weights are almost identical . Mike

I have the Phoenix X full-carbon poles and they are heavier than as advertised on the information posted above. The actual weights of the bare Phoenix full carbon poles are below:

Phoenix X 22 Full Carbon = 1.36kg (advertised as 1.2kg)
Phoenix X 26UL (actual length under 25ft) Full Carbon = 1.45kg (advertised as 1.3kg)

So the actual weights are not as close as they appear from the 'published specs'.

Have you got what's available to buy? I thought they had sent you preproduction and tried to pass them off the final product
Art

We did apparently buy pre-production items from a retailers website - which was quite a strange episode!

These have since been exchanged by the retailer for 'production' items which as it happens are exactly the same weights as the pre-production versions.

It seems everything to do with them is strange.
Nice that they are trying to give you a run for your money though
Art

As is always said though 'competition is good for the end user'. Without competition there is often little incentive to further the game. Although personally I find going out and doing a days work is all the incentive I need to look at products and see if anything can be done to make them, lighter, faster, better etc. -

[Dani J]

Comparing against slx the weights are almost identical . Mike

I have the Phoenix X full-carbon poles and they are heavier than as advertised on the information posted above. The actual weights of the bare Phoenix full carbon poles are below:

Phoenix X 22 Full Carbon = 1.36kg (advertised as 1.2kg)
Phoenix X 26UL (actual length under 25ft) Full Carbon = 1.45kg (advertised as 1.3kg)

So the actual weights are not as close as they appear from the 'published specs'.

Have you got what's available to buy? I thought they had sent you preproduction and tried to pass them off the final product
Art

We did apparently buy pre-production items from a retailers website - which was quite a strange episode!

These have since been exchanged by the retailer for 'production' items which as it happens are exactly the same weights as the pre-production versions.

It seems everything to do with them is strange.
Nice that they are trying to give you a run for your money though
Art

As is always said though 'competition is good for the end user'. Without competition there is often little incentive to further the game. Although personally I find going out and doing a days work is all the incentive I need to look at products and see if anything can be done to make them, lighter, faster, better etc. -

Alex, what happend about those new fan jets ?, its been few months now 

[Alex Gardiner]

Comparing against slx the weights are almost identical . Mike

I have the Phoenix X full-carbon poles and they are heavier than as advertised on the information posted above. The actual weights of the bare Phoenix full carbon poles are below:

Phoenix X 22 Full Carbon = 1.36kg (advertised as 1.2kg)
Phoenix X 26UL (actual length under 25ft) Full Carbon = 1.45kg (advertised as 1.3kg)

So the actual weights are not as close as they appear from the 'published specs'.

Have you got what's available to buy? I thought they had sent you preproduction and tried to pass them off the final product
Art

We did apparently buy pre-production items from a retailers website - which was quite a strange episode!

These have since been exchanged by the retailer for 'production' items which as it happens are exactly the same weights as the pre-production versions.

It seems everything to do with them is strange.
Nice that they are trying to give you a run for your money though
Art

As is always said though 'competition is good for the end user'. Without competition there is often little incentive to further the game. Although personally I find going out and doing a days work is all the incentive I need to look at products and see if anything can be done to make them, lighter, faster, better etc. -

Alex, what happend about those new fan jets ?, its been few months now 

It has been too long. I will be testing the latest samples on Monday. I have been assured these are as I originally specified. If so, we should have them on sale in a couple of weeks.

[richard jagger]

These new poles are a fine example of going to the market before a proper marketing strategy is in place.
Things have just been thrown together,prices not agreed, weights not right. specs confused. Same old story. Story cobbled together as we go along.You fellows need a course in marketing.

[Dani J]

Comparing against slx the weights are almost identical . Mike

I have the Phoenix X full-carbon poles and they are heavier than as advertised on the information posted above. The actual weights of the bare Phoenix full carbon poles are below:

Phoenix X 22 Full Carbon = 1.36kg (advertised as 1.2kg)
Phoenix X 26UL (actual length under 25ft) Full Carbon = 1.45kg (advertised as 1.3kg)

So the actual weights are not as close as they appear from the 'published specs'.

Have you got what's available to buy? I thought they had sent you preproduction and tried to pass them off the final product
Art

We did apparently buy pre-production items from a retailers website - which was quite a strange episode!

These have since been exchanged by the retailer for 'production' items which as it happens are exactly the same weights as the pre-production versions.

It seems everything to do with them is strange.
Nice that they are trying to give you a run for your money though
Art

As is always said though 'competition is good for the end user'. Without competition there is often little incentive to further the game. Although personally I find going out and doing a days work is all the incentive I need to look at products and see if anything can be done to make them, lighter, faster, better etc. -

Alex, what happend about those new fan jets ?, its been few months now 

It has been too long. I will be testing the latest samples on Monday. I have been assured these are as I originally specified. If so, we should have them on sale in a couple of weeks.

Great to hear Alex  look forward to it.

[Stephen Fox]

Comparing against slx the weights are almost identical . Mike

I have the Phoenix X full-carbon poles and they are heavier than as advertised on the information posted above. The actual weights of the bare Phoenix full carbon poles are below:

Phoenix X 22 Full Carbon = 1.36kg (advertised as 1.2kg)
Phoenix X 26UL (actual length under 25ft) Full Carbon = 1.45kg (advertised as 1.3kg)

So the actual weights are not as close as they appear from the 'published specs'.

Have you got what's available to buy? I thought they had sent you preproduction and tried to pass them off the final product
Art

We did apparently buy pre-production items from a retailers website - which was quite a strange episode!

These have since been exchanged by the retailer for 'production' items which as it happens are exactly the same weights as the pre-production versions.

It seems everything to do with them is strange.
Nice that they are trying to give you a run for your money though
Art

As is always said though 'competition is good for the end user'. Without competition there is often little incentive to further the game. Although personally I find going out and doing a days work is all the incentive I need to look at products and see if anything can be done to make them, lighter, faster, better etc. -

This is exactly what we have done with the Phoenix and it has proved very successful. I would like to see what scales you have for your weights along with measuring tape....? As pointed out on another forum you can extend the Phoenix further than you can on any SLX also they prove more ridged and easier to use. This is not just our 'opinion' but from the mouths of SLX/CLX owners/users who also have the Phoenix and use it day to day.

I can understand you feel extremely threatened by the new Facelift range, more than any other pole by a long stretch, and with what is to come but technology and design moves on and the user is the winner.

We are very confident the Phoenix range is the best designed pole out there, as for marketing............. the amount of interest and demand is unprecedented. Even die hard Alex fans want to get hold of them. I don't think we've done a bad job!

[Halfadaylee]

Comparing against slx the weights are almost identical . Mike

I have the Phoenix X full-carbon poles and they are heavier than as advertised on the information posted above. The actual weights of the bare Phoenix full carbon poles are below:

Phoenix X 22 Full Carbon = 1.36kg (advertised as 1.2kg)
Phoenix X 26UL (actual length under 25ft) Full Carbon = 1.45kg (advertised as 1.3kg)

So the actual weights are not as close as they appear from the 'published specs'.

Have you got what's available to buy? I thought they had sent you preproduction and tried to pass them off the final product
Art

We did apparently buy pre-production items from a retailers website - which was quite a strange episode!

These have since been exchanged by the retailer for 'production' items which as it happens are exactly the same weights as the pre-production versions.

It seems everything to do with them is strange.
Nice that they are trying to give you a run for your money though
Art

As is always said though 'competition is good for the end user'. Without competition there is often little incentive to further the game. Although personally I find going out and doing a days work is all the incentive I need to look at products and see if anything can be done to make them, lighter, faster, better etc. -

This is exactly what we have done with the Phoenix and it has proved very successful. I would like to see what scales you have for your weights along with measuring tape....? As pointed out on another forum you can extend the Phoenix further than you can on any SLX also they prove more ridged and easier to use. This is not just our 'opinion' but from the mouths of SLX/CLX owners/users who also have the Phoenix and use it day to day.

I can understand you feel extremely threatened by the new Facelift range, more than any other pole by a long stretch, and with what is to come but technology and design moves on and the user is the winner.

We are very confident the Phoenix range is the best designed pole out there, as for marketing............. the amount of interest and demand is unprecedented. Even die hard Alex fans want to get hold of them. I don't think we've done a bad job!

Are you drunk Stephen?

[Joey Heinz]

Im seeing the signs of a worried Alex... Alex is the clx 50/50?

[Stephen Fox]

Are you drunk Stephen?

haha! Not quite yet!

[Joey Heinz]

The scales used are special scales!!!

[Lee GLS]

Comparing against slx the weights are almost identical . Mike

I have the Phoenix X full-carbon poles and they are heavier than as advertised on the information posted above. The actual weights of the bare Phoenix full carbon poles are below:

Phoenix X 22 Full Carbon = 1.36kg (advertised as 1.2kg)
Phoenix X 26UL (actual length under 25ft) Full Carbon = 1.45kg (advertised as 1.3kg)

So the actual weights are not as close as they appear from the 'published specs'.

Have you got what's available to buy? I thought they had sent you preproduction and tried to pass them off the final product
Art

We did apparently buy pre-production items from a retailers website - which was quite a strange episode!

These have since been exchanged by the retailer for 'production' items which as it happens are exactly the same weights as the pre-production versions.

It seems everything to do with them is strange.
Nice that they are trying to give you a run for your money though
Art

As is always said though 'competition is good for the end user'. Without competition there is often little incentive to further the game. Although personally I find going out and doing a days work is all the incentive I need to look at products and see if anything can be done to make them, lighter, faster, better etc. -

This is exactly what we have done with the Phoenix and it has proved very successful. I would like to see what scales you have for your weights along with measuring tape....? As pointed out on another forum you can extend the Phoenix further than you can on any SLX also they prove more ridged and easier to use. This is not just our 'opinion' but from the mouths of SLX/CLX owners/users who also have the Phoenix and use it day to day.

I can understand you feel extremely threatened by the new Facelift range, more than any other pole by a long stretch, and with what is to come but technology and design moves on and the user is the winner.

We are very confident the Phoenix range is the best designed pole out there, as for marketing............. the amount of interest and demand is unprecedented. Even die hard Alex fans want to get hold of them. I don't think we've done a bad job!

Are you saying that the weights Alex has pit up are wrong? Can you guarantee the weights you have published? Maybe someone who owns one of the poles can weight it and confirm.

[Stephen Fox]

These new poles are a fine example of going to the market before a proper marketing strategy is in place.
Things have just been thrown together,prices not agreed, weights not right. specs confused. Same old story. Story cobbled together as we go along.You fellows need a course in marketing.

Slumpy, have you seen/used a Phoenix yet? Which pole do you use at the moment?

[Joey Heinz]

Slumpy uses a bayersan glass fibre.