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Carl2009

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2012, 05:14:10 pm »
Wow Ian, that's harsh. Everyone runs their business their own way I guess.

AuRavelling79

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2012, 05:32:17 pm »
What gives me less stress?

The Ian/Tosh/Paul Coleman/Steve CM/John F way is my way.

Polite, Friendly, Reliable, do a good job. But Firm. Win-win - they win by having a Polite, Friendly, Reliable and a windie that does a good job. I win by having customers I can rely on to be prepared to have their windows cleaned as per our agreement.

To me the Ben and Carl way has elements of servility that has no part in my life.

It's a game of three halves!

Ian101

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2012, 05:39:47 pm »
Wow Ian, that's harsh. Everyone runs their business their own way I guess.

dont get me wrong Im all for customer service and I do like my customers but has to be my way or not at all otherwise we would have hundreds of bosses instead of 1 .


Ian101

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2012, 05:41:15 pm »
What gives me less stress?

The Ian/Tosh/Paul Coleman/Steve CM/John F way is my way.

Polite, Friendly, Reliable, do a good job. But Firm. Win-win - they win by having a Polite, Friendly, Reliable and a windie that does a good job. I win by having customers I can rely on to be prepared to have their windows cleaned as per our agreement.

To me the Ben and Carl way has elements of servility that has no part in my life.



didnt see that from Mr Gold but yes

Carl2009

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2012, 07:18:03 pm »
Gold's right - you've got to go with what gives you less stress. I'm not sure about the "as per our agreement" - yes, there has to be an agreement of sorts, absolutely. In a previous life I used to arrange adventure holidays - trekking in Nepal and camels across the desert in Jordan, that sort of thing. 130 seperate holidays in almost 50 different countries around the world. We had water-tight contracts and they were essential.

Nowadays, i'm a window cleaner. If I have a custie that says "Not today cos it's raining/going to rain/i'm off on holiday/the builders are coming I generally leave it and say "OK". If its the weather ususally try to let them know that I have a mortgage to pay and if I didn't clean when it rained i'd be out of business - obviously I want to try and get the clean, but I also know that I might hack them off and lose them. I judge each one, but I always try and see it from there position. If I employed I might take a different view and work on a different business model.

As Gold says, it's about the stress. For me i'd rather know I can get 12 cleans in a year and sacrifice the 1 that takes it to 13.

Mind you, if they p*ss me around more than twice, feck um, I give them the bullet.

magic moments

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2012, 08:05:41 pm »
Carl I'm confused according to your long post on page 2 your in a different industry?

 . (Copied  from your post)

 because i'm in the customer service industry, not window cleaning.

Carl2009

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2012, 09:02:25 pm »
Nice one!  ;)

ants

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2012, 09:45:12 pm »
The point i was trying to make was that when you clean in the rain the windows are still immaculate when it dries up,they still get the same top notch job as always.

I never say ive got a mortgage to pay blah blah sounds like your desperate for money and dont care if they get a good job as long as you get paid.

And whats the difference if u clean at 10am in sunshine and it rains at 11am.

Im just trying to get rid of the myth that rain dirties windows

Carl2009

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2012, 10:06:57 pm »
Rain does dirty windows in 2 instances that I have experienced.

1. Where the window is subject to spray from a busy road.
2. Where dust from a southerly wind carries dust from the Sahara north and rain brings it down.

It's no myth, but is location / climate dependant.

GB Window Cleaning

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2012, 10:26:45 pm »
I'd leave the customer, there's no point with an attitude like hers.

They're time wasters.  I've always dropped bad customers fairly quickly and consequently my round is full of 'good' customers (mainly anyway; I can think of one-or-two dodgy ones).

I don't mind late payers, they always pay, but the 'Not today, mate!' means 'not ever' to me.
my views too tosh

ants

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2012, 10:27:55 pm »
Sorry, i  forgot to say use your common sense, dont clean them next to a busy road,that is so obvious mate, i thought people would figure that out for themselves
Ive also seen rain dirty my windows when it blasts a storm off the north sea,  but its rare and my post was work in  med to light rain, not in all conditions

GB Window Cleaning

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #51 on: July 12, 2012, 10:34:09 pm »
i work in all weather light to medium wind rain snow sleet etc... (in other words it has to be very very very very bad weahter to stop me) i tell this to all new custards too in no uncertain terms!!!

if they dont like it i dont keep them on my round and they can feel free to find a fair weather windtard ...simples  8)

rosskesava

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2012, 01:31:47 am »
I've now realised what I've been doing wrong all these years.

The customer is the enemy and I'm going to have some sign writing added to my van which says 'it's my way or it's no way'.

That'll sort those nasty selfish customers out. If they want their friggin windows done, it'll be be done according to how I say so.

I've been thick and stupid all these years. I now realise what I was lacking, an aggressive attitude and laying down MY RULES in absolutely no uncertain terms.

From tomorrow, I go out my front door a new man and god help any customer who dares to mess with me.
Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.

tompoole

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2012, 06:59:13 am »
Just say ok, I will put you on the sunny list :-) then find
A new Custy who doesn't mind you cleaning I rain to replace
Them. Anyone who won't let me. Lean in the rain is an extra
To me and not part of my regulars I charge a little extra and
Just put them at end of the day "do if  sunny" no big deal
They're the ones who have to live with dirty windows

A & J Owen Window Cleaning

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2012, 07:35:02 am »
It all depends on customer attitude for me. Are they a good customer who would prefer windows not done in pouring rain or one who messes you around for any number of reasons?
If we get a customer saying leave it today if you don't mind as it's lashing it down and other than that they are a good customer - fine; no problems. Perfectly reasonable.
However, this week we turned up to a customer in light rain and she says leave it, she also said leave it last October until February. No point in having customers like this so dumped. Funnily enough she said her last window cleaner 'just stopped turning up'...
Of course you have to give the customer a good service but that doesn't mean letting them mess you round as and when it suits them.

Londoner

Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2012, 08:09:07 am »
Its a hard one to balance. Basically I love the come back in March brigade because it takes some of the pressure off during the winter.

A lot of the stuff on here though seems more like ego to me. I may be just a humble window cleaner to you but really I am a working class hero.

I reminds me of a lot of the older men when I worked in industry. So awkward and opinionated, they wouldn't stand for this they wouldn't stand for that. The sort of men who used to clock in every morning then dissapear into the toilet for half an hour with their newspaper. I am sure others remember the type.

brianbarber

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2012, 09:56:56 pm »
It all depends on customer attitude for me. Are they a good customer who would prefer windows not done in pouring rain or one who messes you around for any number of reasons?
If we get a customer saying leave it today if you don't mind as it's lashing it down and other than that they are a good customer - fine; no problems. Perfectly reasonable.
However, this week we turned up to a customer in light rain and she says leave it, she also said leave it last October until February. No point in having customers like this so dumped. Funnily enough she said her last window cleaner 'just stopped turning up'...
Of course you have to give the customer a good service but that doesn't mean letting them mess you round as and when it suits them.

I had the same, I said, when your ready give me a call....
They never do, so it's a nice way to end it, cos they don't realise at the time your dumping them!  ;D
If in doubt.....Leave it out !!

Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2012, 10:37:02 pm »
I have a very friendly approuch to my customers, i always call or text the night before, this is not to ask for permission to clean, but to let them know, so if they are not going to be at home, they can leave the side gate open and the money under a pot or something.

At times a customer might request a morning or afternoon visit and i will try and work my round around their schedule or fit them in later in the week, if all of these is not possible i will either turn up, clean the front and leave a card for payment or miss until I am in the area again, which is normally within 10 days.

Do I lose out by doing this, well no i don't, a lot of my propertys require the owner to know i will be there on a certain date, so they can give me access to the back, i don't do climbing.

So if I did not call i would have to set a certain day and date when i will be at these customers houses, well that is going to restrict my movements, what if i want the day off, well I can't, what if there are lightning strikes, well I'm not working with a long carbon pole in those conditions.

Or i could just turn up and hope for the best that they are home, well if they are not i could lose £800+ per month of income, you then get the jokers who say dump and replace, why would I want to drop over £20k of good paying customers.

I have a rain policy, if its showers then i work, if it is drizzling then i work, if its hammering it down, then i give it untill 12pm and if it hasn't stopped then i don't work, if it stops then i am out.

I do not operate a 5 or 6 day window cleaning round, I work on a 4 day system so If i wanted too, i can squeeze all of my work into 4 days and have a very good turnover figure.

So if the weather for the coming week is dire, then i have 3 days to fall back on, or even space in the next week to catch up on, if you are maximum on 6 days a week then you have no space to help you.

So far over the last 2 months i have not lost 1 job because of the weather or when my van broke down, yes i might have lost certain days but i always have had spare days to fill up with work.

as for payments, i have never been really bothered with domestic customers, if they have forgotten to leave the money, well next month is ok, commercial clients are different, you have to kept them in check because they will take the micky if they can.

I once had a footballers house I use to do, he plays in the prem and even for england, he has a lovely house, and his window bill is only £12, I do a few where he lives and all pay by cash or cheque on the day, yet he would not, i would always get a cheque 3 to 4 weeks later, he or his wife was are always at home.

I do not know if it is because they are tight, or the fact that they pay on a cheque from Coutts and co and they want to impress, I would be more impressed if they paid straightaway,  i cleaned the carpet of a team mates of his as well and he was totally different, he had money all over the place.

As has been said we are in a service industry and we are the first to complain when we get bad service from a supplier so why should we treat ours customers differently than what we would want.

C o z y

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #58 on: July 14, 2012, 11:06:44 am »
That's not what you've been saying on the other forums. You told everyone on there that you only have three days worth of work a week.
No still don't understand, I must be thick

Ian101

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Re: leave windows no point with this weather.
« Reply #59 on: July 14, 2012, 02:55:24 pm »
That's not what you've been saying on the other forums. You told everyone on there that you only have three days worth of work a week.


oh no here we go again ... de je vou with an old post of mine  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Tosh best just lock it now before Mr Hydro gets slaughtered all over again  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D