[Perfect Windows]

I'm sure you're getting bored with this, Lee, but once again you're telling us what you get straight from manufacturers with no intervening analysis on your behalf.

I also know that my saying this makes you fly into a rage for some reason and to go wildly defensive, but it's true.  I'm afraid that if a manufacturer says to you "this is new" you seem to believe it (and spread it round) without any reservations.  

As I say, I do know this will result in a defensive diatribe like the ones you've fired off at me in the past, probably accusing me of being negative or telling me that I need to relax and chill out (your habitual responses).  That's all well and good but your magazine might become a better product if you noticed that the majority of comment on your posts is along these lines, so there may be something in what we are saying; it may be something you want to change.

Vin

[Nameless Drudge]

Have you considered ,having been enlightened on any new products or methods actually then sharing your experience with any of the window cleaners on here?
  Thats on here,not a link to elsewhere.

[GDwindowcleaning]

I can see a storm brewing....

[rosskesava]

I just checked. Your looking at the wrong one the secret group has 47 memebers, again its a closed group and Facebook lists it as a SECRET group. Try and find it - I dare you lol


On this group you get added, you cannot add yourself.... and I will tell you how you can do that. This is for serious window cleaners only that have ideas to share on how to make stuff better. I know that there is lots of serious windys on here
You can be apart of it, no probs...... you might not be interested in this ( in that case move on to the next topic lol )

So really it's about getting window cleaners to come up with improvements and ideas for manufacturers to take advantage of.

I'm not questioning the rights or possible wrongs of doing that only that the above is the bottom line and the reason behind it all.

Maybe?

[GDwindowcleaning]

For one manufacturer to take advantage off, its just a focus group....

Which to be honest is no bad thing as could help get the products you need but its hardly some great secret society lol....

[Lee Burbidge]

I'm sure you're getting bored with this, Lee, but once again you're telling us what you get straight from manufacturers with no intervening analysis on your behalf.

I also know that my saying this makes you fly into a rage for some reason and to go wildly defensive, but it's true.  I'm afraid that if a manufacturer says to you "this is new" you seem to believe it (and spread it round) without any reservations.  

As I say, I do know this will result in a defensive diatribe like the ones you've fired off at me in the past, probably accusing me of being negative or telling me that I need to relax and chill out (your habitual responses).  That's all well and good but your magazine might become a better product if you noticed that the majority of comment on your posts is along these lines, so there may be something in what we are saying; it may be something you want to change.

Vin

Hey Vin - no problem.... its only a few that post like this. Others are just happy to read or not. No sweat 

[Lee Burbidge]

Have you considered ,having been enlightened on any new products or methods actually then sharing your experience with any of the window cleaners on here?
  Thats on here,not a link to elsewhere.

I have done. You just have not read it   

[Lee Burbidge]

I can see a storm brewing....

Lol I know, the scrum has come......... reactions are not what there getting mind 

[Lee Burbidge]

I just checked. Your looking at the wrong one the secret group has 47 memebers, again its a closed group and Facebook lists it as a SECRET group. Try and find it - I dare you lol


On this group you get added, you cannot add yourself.... and I will tell you how you can do that. This is for serious window cleaners only that have ideas to share on how to make stuff better. I know that there is lots of serious windys on here
You can be apart of it, no probs...... you might not be interested in this ( in that case move on to the next topic lol )

So really it's about getting window cleaners to come up with improvements and ideas for manufacturers to take advantage of.

I'm not questioning the rights or possible wrongs of doing that only that the above is the bottom line and the reason behind it all.

Maybe?

Yes, yes and yes.....and there is talk of royalties all round.

[Lee Burbidge]

For one manufacturer to take advantage off, its just a focus group....

Which to be honest is no bad thing as could help get the products you need but its hardly some great secret society lol....

I agree. Its a think tank. And the group is a secret group. I don't know what else to say, I cannot explain it in any other way 

[GDwindowcleaning]

Lee its not secret if its on their facebook business page, its just a closed group that a pm to perry I think it was would get you an invite.... You made out like you had cracked the secret code to join an invitation only secret society lol they just want help designing products..... I can see alot of people joining if there are benefits but there is no need to make it appear more than it is, just tell people what it is and be straight with them....

[Lee Burbidge]

In for a scrum? You made it clear you happy funding the magazine and I assume giving free advertising so fair play to you....

I will look at all the product promotion in a different light now...

Cheers man 

[Perfect Windows]

I'm sure you're getting bored with this, Lee, but once again you're telling us what you get straight from manufacturers with no intervening analysis on your behalf.

I also know that my saying this makes you fly into a rage for some reason and to go wildly defensive, but it's true.  I'm afraid that if a manufacturer says to you "this is new" you seem to believe it (and spread it round) without any reservations.  

As I say, I do know this will result in a defensive diatribe like the ones you've fired off at me in the past, probably accusing me of being negative or telling me that I need to relax and chill out (your habitual responses).  That's all well and good but your magazine might become a better product if you noticed that the majority of comment on your posts is along these lines, so there may be something in what we are saying; it may be something you want to change.

Vin

Hey Vin - no problem.... its only a few that post like this. Others are just happy to read or not. No sweat 

When I've asked a genuine question in the past you've flown off the handle or simply not answered it, so please do try not to overreact to this, which is a genuine question.

Do you believe that analysis before posting PR might improve your magazine?

Vin

[Lee Burbidge]

Lee its not secret if its on their facebook business page, its just a closed group that a pm to perry I think it was would get you an invite.... You made out like you had cracked the secret code to join an invitation only secret society lol they just want help designing products..... I can see alot of people joining if there are benefits but there is no need to make it appear more than it is, just tell people what it is and be straight with them....

I did. Trouble is people are always on guard in CIU ( makes it pretty hostile sometimes ) I spoke to a window cleaner today and mentioned CIU. No one I speak to says CIU is a great place to be. I accept that.

Its only a handful that winge and moan, I accept that too. May had over 15,000 visitors to our site and we take new sign ups day in day out world wide, we plane to double this number. CIU is a corner of a big ocean I am networking with and what I do is always selfless and for the window cleaning community.

I am glad you see where I am coming from now. It means a lot

[Lee Burbidge]

I'm sure you're getting bored with this, Lee, but once again you're telling us what you get straight from manufacturers with no intervening analysis on your behalf.

I also know that my saying this makes you fly into a rage for some reason and to go wildly defensive, but it's true.  I'm afraid that if a manufacturer says to you "this is new" you seem to believe it (and spread it round) without any reservations.  

As I say, I do know this will result in a defensive diatribe like the ones you've fired off at me in the past, probably accusing me of being negative or telling me that I need to relax and chill out (your habitual responses).  That's all well and good but your magazine might become a better product if you noticed that the majority of comment on your posts is along these lines, so there may be something in what we are saying; it may be something you want to change.

Vin

Hey Vin - no problem.... its only a few that post like this. Others are just happy to read or not. No sweat 

When I've asked a genuine question in the past you've flown off the handle or simply not answered it, so please do try not to overreact to this, which is a genuine question.

Do you believe that analysis before posting PR might improve your magazine?

Vin

Hi Vin - no problem. Sometimes it is the way you approach somebody that dictates a reception. I am glad to see you come a cross in a less hostile manner.

Yes and no is the answer really. How would you improve the magazine?

[Nick Wareham]

The innovation coming out of the group already is brill!

well, judging by the way you decribed unger's amazing new wfp was market-changing (LOL!), i'll take this with a very large pinch of salt.

[GDwindowcleaning]

To be taken seriously any magazine has to be indepenent and form its own opinions not just pass on press releases....

[mister bit]

Lee

I have doubts if you are actually lee boroughbfridge any more?

The reason for my doubts are that you say things like 99 bucks ... dudes and all those americanism things which doesn't quite seem right ...?

is anybody else getting this vibe?

perhaps we should check the ip address ... we may have been invadedd by the colonists

[Lee Burbidge]

To be taken seriously any magazine has to be indepenent and form its own opinions not just pass on press releases....

We have opinions and I write a lot of stuff, you just have not read it

We are a form of press??? A press release says what it is on the tin? lol

A magazine does not have to be anything but inform.

[Lee Burbidge]

Lee

I have doubts if you are actually lee boroughbfridge any more?

The reason for my doubts are that you say things like 99 bucks ... dudes and all those americanism things which doesn't quite seem right ...?

is anybody else getting this vibe?

perhaps we should check the ip address ... we may have been invadedd by the colonists

Why be personal?