[DMC Window Cleaners Ltd]

^^^^^^^^ second that ^^^^^^^^

how much does it cost the NHS because of idiots that cant use a ladder properly and fall off
how much does it cost insurances comapanys because people dont have the common sense for correct H&S

a lot more then this training. even if you only learn 1 thing out of this " POINTLESS " training then its done its job.

If your company looks more professional with trained staff in all areas you will have better chances of getting the bigger contracts thos expanding and employeeing more people.

as my mother always said if you havnt got something nice to say shut the fu*K up

that was going so well till you quoted your mother     

you get the point tho ian,

im sick of people slating things and never actually done, got or had it.
How can you comment ?>??

[daniel worgan]

^^^^^^^^ second that ^^^^^^^^

how much does it cost the NHS because of idiots that cant use a ladder properly and fall off
how much does it cost insurances comapanys because people dont have the common sense for correct H&S

a lot more then this training. even if you only learn 1 thing out of this " POINTLESS " training then its done its job.

If your company looks more professional with trained staff in all areas you will have better chances of getting the bigger contracts thos expanding and employeeing more people.

as my mother always said if you havnt got something nice to say shut the fu*K up

that was going so well till you quoted your mother     

you get the point tho ian,

im sick of people slating things and never actually done, got or had it.
How can you comment ?>??

Your mother is obviously as obnoxious as you are,you must be very proud of her foul mouth....
This is an open forum where everyone can openly state their views,if it doesn't coincide with yours well that is fine,but people still and allways will have the right to express their likes or dislikes of anything that they have views on.
IMO training schemes that are backed by taxpayers funds that are not of great necessity are in times like we are witnessing now a waste of money,sorry you dont agree with that statement,but others do.....

[Gareth Foster]

What are these courses then? And DW why wouldnt you do one if it was free? Don't get that?

[Tom White]

I would just like to intervene in this interesting post - and ask members to post politely.  We can disagree with other member's opinions - yet still remain agreeable.

Let's not spoil a good post.

And I'd like some marketing courses aimed at the sole trader/partnership end of the window cleaning scale.  

[Window Washers]

What are these courses then? And DW why wouldnt you do one if it was free? Don't get that?

IMO the QCF courses are designed not only to point out all aspects of the health and safety that all window cleaners should know and be implementing this is to cover themselves and also the people around them.

They also offer hands on experience in way of training for the use and safe handling of ladders, also for wfp safe handling and use and a host of other things

I know for a fact they are always adding to these courses to give better value to the people on them.

there is a wide range of courses available hopefully David or Andrew could post what ones they do for everyone to see.


I use this to my advantage as it shows to people that I take what I do seriously.

if people don't want to take something that will in the end help them, then thats their choice.

I know many guys that have this and are happy at that fact.

I think they personally should have a degree in this so I can have letters after my name   jokes aside these course will only long term help our industry, really we should be thanking Andrew and David.

[daniel worgan]

What are these courses then? And DW why wouldnt you do one if it was free? Don't get that?

I am not against courses of any kind that any individual would want to participate in at THEIR OWN EXPENSE.
What i am against is funding,presumably government backed,when taxpayers are feeling the pinch in their everyday lives.

So dont think for one minute these courses are for free,they are being paid by someone...and guess who that will probably be.
By all means do the courses,as i say they can be beneficial (and to the previous poster who seems somewhat challenged,i had to pay for my courses in powder coating which included health and safety as part of the course...no freebies there for me,i funded that myself...because i wanted to)....but dont jump on those that do not believe that these courses should be free.   

[gary999]

 ive nothing against these courses funded or  non funded, for me though actual courses
on window cleaning itself is a bit of a irrelevance really until window cleaning is
liscensed or its a legal requirement to take these courses to be a window cleaner.
lets face it anyone can get ladders squeegees and a bucket and register as self
employed and crack on.

i clean domestic property only, knocking doors and leafleting work well for me its
not rocket science really,but maybe for guy who wants to expand into the comercial
market and expand employing etc i imagine courses on business management and
strategy tax law and management of employees specifically aimed at window cleaners
could be useful

[johnny bravo]

companys  selling pole systems should  make it clear when selling       they should point out the dangers of touching overhead cables,    and what effects different cables have,   

[gary999]

youve got to be really mentally challenged if you need some one to tell you to
stay away from overhead cables

[Paul Coleman]

Some hands-on cherry picker training would be helpful - though I imagine that might be outside the scope of the "residential/light commercial market".

[Gareth Foster]

but DW everyone pays taxes so it's not like it cost tax payers anymore or less so your just hating on these guys running the course by the sounds of it. What are you gonna save by pulling funding for this training and using it on the price of fuel? A penny a litre per person? So you'll save 50p everytime you fill up. Stop hating and trying to save the world man and smile  

[DG Cleaning]

I don't think DW is hating, yes this particular course won't make any noticeable difference to the taxpayer. However if we look at the bigger picture there are companies running courses that are government funded in all industries that could be paid for by private enterprise this will make a significant difference to the taxpayer. If these WC courses eeally are the bees knees you lot will pay for them anyway you won't need the taxpayer to hold your hand.

[DG Cleaning]

As for saving the NHS money by being trained how to set a ladder, if you can't put a ladder up against a wall and using common sense work out if its safe or not then you really should look at a different line of work. Let's get some perspective on H&S. A previous poster wants to know which overhead cable he can lean his pole against without getting killed, I mean come on!

[daniel worgan]

but DW everyone pays taxes so it's not like it cost tax payers anymore or less so your just hating on these guys running the course by the sounds of it. What are you gonna save by pulling funding for this training and using it on the price of fuel? A penny a litre per person? So you'll save 50p everytime you fill up. Stop hating and trying to save the world man and smile  

I dont think you have grasped what i believe in!!
I would not expect a refund to every taxpayer for money spent on window cleaning courses,surely your common sense is above that reasoning?
I like others believe that funding for any courses that could/should be paid by the individuals concerned or the companies that employ them can be used in other areas that are being deprived of funding due to overall wasteful spending by the government.
If i wanted to take my business forward by having courses/training available i would not see it as unreasonable to be expected to pay for it as a whole,after all it is me that is directly benefitting from such training workshops and therefore i should be burdened with the costs.
Hatred towards those who run these training schemes is a nonsensical argument and something that you probably did not understand you were implying,if you did then that is a very childish remark towards a differing view.

[Erithwc]

What are these courses then? And DW why wouldnt you do one if it was free? Don't get that?

I am not against courses of any kind that any individual would want to participate in at THEIR OWN EXPENSE.
What i am against is funding,presumably government backed,when taxpayers are feeling the pinch in their everyday lives.

So dont think for one minute these courses are for free,they are being paid by someone...and guess who that will probably be.
By all means do the courses,as i say they can be beneficial (and to the previous poster who seems somewhat challenged,i had to pay for my courses in powder coating which included health and safety as part of the course...no freebies there for me,i funded that myself...because i wanted to)....but dont jump on those that do not believe that these courses should be free.   

are you for real we all pay tax why should we not get some thing back from the goverment makes a change or are you happy for your taxes to go to time wasting arses that can be bother to get a job get drunk and take drugs all day 

[Gareth Foster]

dw why don't you become a politician then and do something about it rather than whining about it on here. All your time spent on here complaining could be used to canvass and take more work on.

[daniel worgan]

dw why don't you become a politician then and do something about it rather than whining about it on here. All your time spent on here complaining could be used to canvass and take more work on.

A rather bland comeback there mate....however as i have said before i am stating my point of view on an open forum,which when i last looked was allowed,a view i might add that others have as well,so no matter that you dont like to hear my opinions...tough...i have the right to express them in the same manner that you do,the differance being that i dont put you down for having differant views and opinions about this subject.
And for your info,the amount i canvass and amount of work i have and take on is nothing to do with this subject or you for that matter.

[daniel worgan]

What are these courses then? And DW why wouldnt you do one if it was free? Don't get that?

I am not against courses of any kind that any individual would want to participate in at THEIR OWN EXPENSE.
What i am against is funding,presumably government backed,when taxpayers are feeling the pinch in their everyday lives.

So dont think for one minute these courses are for free,they are being paid by someone...and guess who that will probably be.
By all means do the courses,as i say they can be beneficial (and to the previous poster who seems somewhat challenged,i had to pay for my courses in powder coating which included health and safety as part of the course...no freebies there for me,i funded that myself...because i wanted to)....but dont jump on those that do not believe that these courses should be free.   

are you for real we all pay tax why should we not get some thing back from the goverment makes a change or are you happy for your taxes to go to time wasting arses that can be bother to get a job get drunk and take drugs all day 

You have a sad vision of life if you believe that taxation only goes to help this kind of person.
What about the people who through no fault of their own are losing their homes because they cant afford the mortgages after being made redundant,what about the cancer patients who are being denied medication to prolong their lives because the nhs refuse to supply the drugs,what about the schoolkids who are having to leave to find no work available....the list goes on and on and on....but never mind as long as a window cleaner can get a free course  via the government then it is ok....what a selfish attitude.....ask some of the aforementioned people if they feel their taxes should go towards funding for courses that are not a necessity....i doubt very much that they will be in total agreement....

[Erithwc]

What are these courses then? And DW why wouldnt you do one if it was free? Don't get that?

I am not against courses of any kind that any individual would want to participate in at THEIR OWN EXPENSE.
What i am against is funding,presumably government backed,when taxpayers are feeling the pinch in their everyday lives.

So dont think for one minute these courses are for free,they are being paid by someone...and guess who that will probably be.
By all means do the courses,as i say they can be beneficial (and to the previous poster who seems somewhat challenged,i had to pay for my courses in powder coating which included health and safety as part of the course...no freebies there for me,i funded that myself...because i wanted to)....but dont jump on those that do not believe that these courses should be free.   

are you for real we all pay tax why should we not get some thing back from the goverment makes a change or are you happy for your taxes to go to time wasting arses that can be bother to get a job get drunk and take drugs all day 

You have a sad vision of life if you believe that taxation only goes to help this kind of person.
What about the people who through no fault of their own are losing their homes because they cant afford the mortgages after being made redundant,what about the cancer patients who are being denied medication to prolong their lives because the nhs refuse to supply the drugs,what about the schoolkids who are having to leave to find no work available....the list goes on and on and on....but never mind as long as a window cleaner can get a free course  via the government then it is ok....what a selfish attitude.....ask some of the aforementioned people if they feel their taxes should go towards funding for courses that are not a necessity....i doubt very much that they will be in total agreement....

YYYYYYawn you are boring me see ya later got to go asnd do a quote for a job 

[DMC Window Cleaners Ltd]

What are these courses then? And DW why wouldnt you do one if it was free? Don't get that?

I am not against courses of any kind that any individual would want to participate in at THEIR OWN EXPENSE.
What i am against is funding,presumably government backed,when taxpayers are feeling the pinch in their everyday lives.

So dont think for one minute these courses are for free,they are being paid by someone...and guess who that will probably be.
By all means do the courses,as i say they can be beneficial (and to the previous poster who seems somewhat challenged,i had to pay for my courses in powder coating which included health and safety as part of the course...no freebies there for me,i funded that myself...because i wanted to)....but dont jump on those that do not believe that these courses should be free.   

are you for real we all pay tax why should we not get some thing back from the goverment makes a change or are you happy for your taxes to go to time wasting arses that can be bother to get a job get drunk and take drugs all day 

You have a sad vision of life if you believe that taxation only goes to help this kind of person.
What about the people who through no fault of their own are losing their homes because they cant afford the mortgages after being made redundant,what about the cancer patients who are being denied medication to prolong their lives because the nhs refuse to supply the drugs,what about the schoolkids who are having to leave to find no work available....the list goes on and on and on....but never mind as long as a window cleaner can get a free course  via the government then it is ok....what a selfish attitude.....ask some of the aforementioned people if they feel their taxes should go towards funding for courses that are not a necessity....i doubt very much that they will be in total agreement....

i had a very good job got made redundant lost my house's, lost my nice car and motorbike lost everything, started window cleaning to past the time and i got often a few courses for free these window cleaning ones by impact 43 also ones through business link and they helped make my business what it is today.
and these course helps joe bloggs getting in the industry like this and most importantly safley with better knowledge.

i still dont understand how educating people is wasting money.
sure if educating people in turn makes there business better then making more money,