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Poll

Does anyone know of an accident where a water tank has injured someone in a crash?

Yes I personally know of a case
5.6%
4 (5.6%)
Yes I know of a reported case - here''s a link

0 (0%)
A system manufacturer/insurer told me of a case - here it is
1.4%
1 (1.4%)
A system manufacturer/insurer told me of a case but I can't cite it
2.8%
2 (2.8%)
I know of no such case
90.3%
65 (90.3%)

Total Members Voted: 60

brianbarber

  • Posts: 996
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2012, 04:46:29 pm »
Malc, why not drop Alex a line and see if he can resurrect the video he had of their system being crash tested through the stages - he's pretty trustworthy.

That video has been re-edited recently ready for the re-release of these crash-tested systems. I will email you the YouTube link.


Can you email me plaese alex if you wouldnt mind.

brianbarber33@aol.com
If in doubt.....Leave it out !!

Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2012, 05:21:29 pm »
ditto....or could someone post the link plz?

Dave Willis

Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2012, 05:41:02 pm »
http://youtu.be/SrbvYwVQWZw

Here you go Alex can't post the link. I don't have this system and am not promoting it at all, but due to the lack of research you won't find many examples apart from Ionics. Interesting viewing, I had a shunt the other week, nothing mega - you just think it will never happen. It's not the video I saw some time ago because I can't see if the tanks were secured at all.

Alex Gardiner

  • Posts: 7744
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2012, 05:55:04 pm »


Can you email me please Alex if you wouldn't mind.

brianbarber33@aol.com

email sent  :)

Alex Gardiner

  • Posts: 7744
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2012, 05:57:20 pm »
http://youtu.be/SrbvYwVQWZw

Here you go Alex can't post the link. I don't have this system and am not promoting it at all, but due to the lack of research you won't find many examples apart from Ionics. Interesting viewing, I had a shunt the other week, nothing mega - you just think it will never happen. It's not the video I saw some time ago because I can't see if the tanks were secured at all.

It is not exactly the same video as the original, but uses some of the same footage. What I will do is upload the basic footage of the first crash where everything explodes everywhere - this first system was fitted down, but not to the same standard as the final systems that achieved a 'Full Compliance Rating' from MIRA.

dd

  • Posts: 2628
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2012, 06:08:42 pm »
Slightly off topic Alex, but do you have any plans to do a "hot" system? Good to see you are bringing your van systems back to market.

Dave Mills

  • Posts: 277
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2012, 06:11:26 pm »
http://youtu.be/SrbvYwVQWZw


Dont worry, lads, your tanks bungeed to the floor will survive an accident just fine.

Alex Gardiner

  • Posts: 7744
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2012, 06:12:30 pm »
Slightly off topic Alex, but do you have any plans to do a "hot" system? Good to see you are bringing your van systems back to market.

No plans right now, but it is something that is being looked at.

dd

  • Posts: 2628
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2012, 06:18:01 pm »
It would be nice to have a quality, professionally installed option with a refillable lpg tank please. (At a reasonable price of course).

Alex Gardiner

  • Posts: 7744
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2012, 06:26:20 pm »
Here is a link to an Epic Failure!

http://youtu.be/w56cXOXtrrk

Dave Mills

  • Posts: 277
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2012, 06:39:21 pm »
Here is a link to an Epic Failure!

http://youtu.be/w56cXOXtrrk

Alex, do you have any detail on how that tank was restrained?

Alex Gardiner

  • Posts: 7744
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2012, 07:11:36 pm »
Here is a link to an Epic Failure!

http://youtu.be/w56cXOXtrrk

Alex, do you have any detail on how that tank was restrained?

Two 12mm bolts through the floor with 10cm x 10cm spreader plates at the front and at the back. This was attached to 3mm box section that was holding the tank down. What happened was that this allowed for too much upper movement in the tank system hence the folding over on itself. This was an initial test back in early 2009. It felt pretty secure, but we wanted to see the effect on an ordinary systems.

Interestingly if a bulkhead had been fitted to the van then the driver would have probably been OK, but with maybe a head-ache  >:(

Moderator David@stives

  • Posts: 8829
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2012, 08:45:35 pm »
Alex

as you know I have 2 of your origonal systems fitted

Have you redesigned the filler necks, as they are about 30% slower to fill using a nozzle compared to a free flow valve

Steve_c

Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2012, 09:02:31 pm »
http://www.ionicsystems.com/english/crash_testing_barrier.html   This was the clincher for me, that is why I went to Ionics.

Alex Gardiner

  • Posts: 7744
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2012, 09:14:03 pm »
Alex

as you know I have 2 of your origonal systems fitted

Have you redesigned the filler necks, as they are about 30% slower to fill using a nozzle compared to a free flow valve

We have redesigned the fillers. They now have a single 7" diameter lid at the rear of the system. This allows for maximum speed of filling when used with a remote processing water systems as with your set-up. It also has a new design lid which is completely burst-proof in case of an accident. The good news is this can be retro-fitted to your systems for very little cost. Drop me an email.

Moderator David@stives

  • Posts: 8829
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2012, 09:41:16 pm »
Hi Alex

Is the little cost "free" :-)  ?

I will email soon, I can now save 5 mins per day per  van, on filling up, which equals £10 per week

Alex Gardiner

  • Posts: 7744
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2012, 09:42:50 pm »
Hi Alex

Is the little cost "free" :-)  ?

I will email soon, I can now save 5 mins per day per  van, on filling up, which equals £10 per week

No it's not free - even to you :)

Basically it means purchasing a new lid at about £12 each and then a little DIY with a jigsaw. I will explain in an email or give me a call on the phone.

Moderator David@stives

  • Posts: 8829
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2012, 09:55:07 pm »
Hi Alex

I cannot do DIY, dont have the time or the skills. :-(

are you selling your systems again ?


Alex Gardiner

  • Posts: 7744
Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2012, 10:01:53 pm »
Hi Alex

I cannot do DIY, dont have the time or the skills. :-(

are you selling your systems again ?



I will drop you an email.

Re: Water Tank in van crash statistics.
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2012, 11:04:29 pm »
come on Mr Morris forum administrator, drop the guy an email and stop taking this topic off topic you spammer you!  :P