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Tom Kelly

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Impact43 is in the gutter!
« on: February 23, 2012, 11:10:57 am »
Leading Training Company IMPACT43 has designed a brand new Gutter Cleaning Training Course. Starting in April 2012, the course will introduce the innovative telescopic gutter maintenance vacuum systems. These are state-of-the-art, portable systems that include remote CCTV inspection capabilities.

Click Here For The Article


bobplum

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Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2012, 04:55:11 pm »
damn i came on to kick them while they were down in the gutter ;D

if Gary from impact reads this ,i have sent the form back to you mate
bob

Steve CM

Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2012, 05:08:21 pm »
Leading Training Company IMPACT43 has designed a brand new Gutter Cleaning Training Course. Starting in April 2012, the course will introduce the innovative telescopic gutter maintenance vacuum systems. These are state-of-the-art, portable systems that include remote CCTV inspection capabilities.

Click Here For The Article



Do you know the course outlines yet? What you will be doing within the training? I would be interested to know how you will tackle the safe use of 4/5 story gutter cleaning

Cheers

Tom Kelly

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Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2012, 12:44:40 pm »
Leading Training Company IMPACT43 has designed a brand new Gutter Cleaning Training Course. Starting in April 2012, the course will introduce the innovative telescopic gutter maintenance vacuum systems. These are state-of-the-art, portable systems that include remote CCTV inspection capabilities.

Click Here For The Article



Do you know the course outlines yet? What you will be doing within the training? I would be interested to know how you will tackle the safe use of 4/5 story gutter cleaning

Cheers

Hi Steve,

We will be putting out some information about the course soon!

If you keep your eye on our Facebook page, it will be released there first! :)

Cheers,

Tom

mark311069

Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2012, 04:35:32 pm »
This course is vital for anyone using either water-fed pole or gutter vacuum cleaning. Since 1974 it has been a legal requirement for employers to train employees, and since 1998 it has been a legal statutory requirement for employers (and the self-employed) to be trained when using any type of equipment: see the Provision and Use Work Equipment Regulations 1998 (PUWER 98).

This means that companies and individuals using this kind of equipment without training are actually trading illegally, and if things go wrong the consequences may be severe.

the word scaremainering springs to mind ;D ;D

Scoop

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Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2012, 05:13:32 pm »
This means that companies and individuals using this kind of equipment without training are actually trading illegally, and if things go wrong the consequences may be severe.

the word scaremainering springs to mind ;D ;D

I can understand companies that haven't trained their staff would be operating illegally. But how can this be so for an individual?

I do ladderless with no employees. The buck stops with me if there's a problem.

How is this illegal? Especially since up until now I don't think there has been any officially recognised course available. So are we all gutter cleaning illegally  ???
Don't wish it were easier. Wish that you were better - Jim Rohn

trevor perry

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Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2012, 10:10:49 am »
who decides who is competant to train an employee, years ago there was no training for powerwashing so i trained the employees by means of a free toolbox talk a bit of common sense and getting them to sign that they had recieved the training, now i hear of impact 43 training for using of guttervacs, what experience have they in using the equipment and who authorises that they are fit to train people, surely this course is only going to cover basics such as manual handling, use of electrical equipment ie avoiding working in wet and PAT testing etc and also protection of public whilst using the equipmen, finally the question arises again how much are they being paid from government for each person that takes this course
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2012, 08:00:07 pm »
who decides who is competant to train an employee, years ago there was no training for powerwashing so i trained the employees by means of a free toolbox talk a bit of common sense and getting them to sign that they had recieved the training, now i hear of impact 43 training for using of guttervacs, what experience have they in using the equipment and who authorises that they are fit to train people, surely this course is only going to cover basics such as manual handling, use of electrical equipment ie avoiding working in wet and PAT testing etc and also protection of public whilst using the equipmen, finally the question arises again how much are they being paid from government for each person that takes this course

Zzzzzzzzz

Ps It's not funded   ::)

trevor perry

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Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2012, 08:12:08 pm »
who decides who is competant to train an employee, years ago there was no training for powerwashing so i trained the employees by means of a free toolbox talk a bit of common sense and getting them to sign that they had recieved the training, now i hear of impact 43 training for using of guttervacs, what experience have they in using the equipment and who authorises that they are fit to train people, surely this course is only going to cover basics such as manual handling, use of electrical equipment ie avoiding working in wet and PAT testing etc and also protection of public whilst using the equipmen, finally the question arises again how much are they being paid from government for each person that takes this course

Zzzzzzzzz

Ps It's not funded   ::)

 thanks for stating it is not funded that is me obviously jumping to the wrong conclusion, but can you answer the rest of my post instead of just putting zzzz and can you tell us exactly what the course will cover and the cost of the course, thankyou
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

trevor perry

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Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2012, 09:04:59 pm »
i havnt recieved an answer to the above, so my point being as i have discussed with andrew before is that much of the info on this course will be the same as on many other courses he already runs ie manual handling etc could it not be possible for impact 43 to device a basic course and then have add on elements which we could then train for without going over the same stuff over and over, i havnt been on one of andrews courses so maybe i am speaking out of turn but most other courses i have attended cover the same material for the majority of the time you are there and it really puts me off attending them unless i really have to ie IPAF runs out. This may not be possible for reasons i havnt thought of but i definately think it would be a good idea and would encourage more to attend. By the way andrew i do intend to come on one of your courses just havnt got round to it yet
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

stephen.b1

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Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2012, 10:24:40 pm »
to give training in gutter vacs i presume you must be competent in the use of the equipment
and have used the equipment extensivly i dont think thats the case hear

if i wanted training in the gutter vac i would go to omnipole at least they know the system from manufacture to using it themselfs

Steve CM

Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2012, 10:36:52 pm »
to give training in gutter vacs i presume you must be competent in the use of the equipment
and have used the equipment extensivly i dont think thats the case hear

if i wanted training in the gutter vac i would go to omnipole at least they know the system from manufacture to using it themselfs

You reckon? I think they are only interested in hiking prices up to make a good profit.

I really would be interested to know what impacts course will involve though. We have done some big jobs with the vac and I'll be the first to admit we have had some hairy moments at height! the weight of the omnipoles ate an accident waiting to happen.

mikecam

Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2012, 10:55:30 pm »
who decides who is competant to train an employee, years ago there was no training for powerwashing so i trained the employees by means of a free toolbox talk a bit of common sense and getting them to sign that they had recieved the training, now i hear of impact 43 training for using of guttervacs, what experience have they in using the equipment and who authorises that they are fit to train people, surely this course is only going to cover basics such as manual handling, use of electrical equipment ie avoiding working in wet and PAT testing etc and also protection of public whilst using the equipmen,

This question only generally arises in the case of an accident/insurance claim/HSE investigation. I would imagine if you have your own laid out, comprehesive instruction course with details of when you gave instruction and for how long and it was documented then that would indeed count as competent training.

finally the question arises again how much are they being paid from government for each person that takes this course

It wasn't the first question i thought of. I was gratefull for the funded training i recieved from them, my question would be how many of us would not have any training if Impact 43 had not taken this initiative?

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2012, 08:16:29 am »
Leading Training Company IMPACT43 has designed a brand new Gutter Cleaning Training Course. Starting in April 2012, the course will introduce the innovative telescopic gutter maintenance vacuum systems. These are state-of-the-art, portable systems that include remote CCTV inspection capabilities.

Click Here For The Article



For me, as a product person, the really interesting part here is the introduction of an innovative telescoping Gutter-Vac system. I wonder what this is going to be like and who's product is it? Any teasers yet?  :)

Steve CM

Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2012, 08:33:00 am »
You looking to build a system Alex?  A lightweight carbon fibre system is needed. But one to buy off the shelf. Not cobbled together like most do.

Designing a telescopic pole for gutter cleaning would be an achievement :)

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2012, 09:46:24 am »
You looking to build a system Alex?  A lightweight carbon fibre system is needed. But one to buy off the shelf. Not cobbled together like most do.

Designing a telescopic pole for gutter cleaning would be an achievement :)

I don't think I need to as it looks like someone else has already done so from the initial post above. Purely from curiosity it will be interesting to see what it is like and who has produced it.

richywilts

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Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2012, 10:59:04 am »
ALEX WHAT SORT OF WINDOW CLEANING OPERATION DO YOU RUN IS IT A LARGE BUSINESS OR DO YOU MAINLY DO DOMESTICS??? JUST CURIOUS SORRY FOR CAPITALS!!!
Richard Wiltshire
Window Clean Direct

richardwiltshire36@yahoo.co.uk
www.windowcleandirect.co.uk
07894821844

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2012, 12:38:27 pm »
ALEX WHAT SORT OF WINDOW CLEANING OPERATION DO YOU RUN IS IT A LARGE BUSINESS OR DO YOU MAINLY DO DOMESTICS??? JUST CURIOUS SORRY FOR CAPITALS!!!

Email sent  :)

Steve CM

Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2012, 12:43:03 pm »
You looking to build a system Alex?  A lightweight carbon fibre system is needed. But one to buy off the shelf. Not cobbled together like most do.

Designing a telescopic pole for gutter cleaning would be an achievement :)

I don't think I need to as it looks like someone else has already done so from the initial post above. Purely from curiosity it will be interesting to see what it is like and who has produced it.
Lets see because at the moment if omnipole are the market leaders for high gutters then there is a need for a decent system to be built

Re: Impact43 is in the gutter!
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2012, 06:55:03 pm »
i havnt recieved an answer to the above, so my point being as i have discussed with andrew before is that much of the info on this course will be the same as on many other courses he already runs ie manual handling etc could it not be possible for impact 43 to device a basic course and then have add on elements which we could then train for without going over the same stuff over and over, i havnt been on one of andrews courses so maybe i am speaking out of turn but most other courses i have attended cover the same material for the majority of the time you are there and it really puts me off attending them unless i really have to ie IPAF runs out. This may not be possible for reasons i havnt thought of but i definately think it would be a good idea and would encourage more to attend. By the way andrew i do intend to come on one of your courses just havnt got round to it yet

Trevor sorry for the ZZzzzz was a bit harsh, been really busy. I will answer the post shortly, just need a bit of time to word it correctly. I do hope you will come on the QCF as i feel it will answer a lot of questions