[H S and Son]

You could have a point 

[richywilts]

Richy

Does your mind never stop ? 

One minute you are talking about getting rid of everyone and consolodating on what you have, now you are talking about expanding again???

Does your girlfriend want to set up a domestic cleaning business, or is it a case of you wanting her to set up a domestic cleaning business?

If you are wanting separation between the two businesses in the eyes of the taxman, then it has to be that, separate accounts, insurance, vehicles, business names, etc.  If you do someones windows and domestic cleaning they have to pay separately, any crossover and the taxman will have you.

We run 8 cleaners doing domestic and commercial work and to be honest the domestic side is a nightmare and not really worth the hassle.  You are competing again the "cash in hand" brigade, even more so than window cleaning as anyone can do domestic cleaning and they do if for £5-6 an hour. 

hiya ian yeah i know what your saying bout me changing my mind all time etc but not ive organised the window cleaning etc and have my employee cleaning that for me im trying to keep under the vat for the next year keep things simple iv dumped all the crap and just going to tweak and expand steadily should any nice jobs etc come in from leaflet dropping.its made me pretty redundant as my employee can clean 250-350 a day on his own no problem i need to get my teeth into something new and was looking at ways i can use my current clients

[daniel worgan]

Why dont you just go out and get new customers for the windows and then get off your arse instead of getting a van valeted (which could have been done after work) and go and do some work.....
And i allways thought that if you had to pay VAT it was because you were earning enough to pay it,so why try and avoid it?....just get out there on the glass and lead by example,i am sure your employee will become very disgruntled soon if you are seen as shying away from the workload,he will more than likely bugger off and start up himself,and to be honest with a boss like you who could blame him.
Sorry Ritchy i have stuck up for you in the past (not that you needed me to do that),but you change your mind more regularly than my mrs changes her drawers.....
Get out and work with your worker before you lose him

[richywilts]

iv just been taking peoples advise off here and ive tried to follow it thru iv cut staff down, iv dumped all bad payin work off iv now been left with approx £60,000 a year of pretty decent work.

just coz my employee has done that today i did state thats his personal best, he was tired from it but he was back by 3.30 it was his decision to smash it today the actual list i gave him was about 270 i think

hes a fit lad and enjoys his job

[daniel worgan]

iv just been taking peoples advise off here and ive tried to follow it thru iv cut staff down, iv dumped all bad payin work off iv now been left with approx £60,000 a year of pretty decent work.

just coz my employee has done that today i did state thats his personal best, he was tired from it but he was back by 3.30 it was his decision to smash it today the actual list i gave him was about 270 i think

hes a fit lad and enjoys his job

even so mate...do you honestly believe that anyone with half a brain and a bit of ambition is going to go out and do £250 of work for you a day for wages on domestics?
Do you really believe that you can keep him happy by sending him out why you appear to be on a wild goose chase building up domestic cleaning customers?
As i say if he can do it then you should be able to show him that you can do it as well and be willing to do it as well...which means building your residential round up and forgetting about house cleaning...
just my honest opinion.....

[CLEANCARE WC]

yes, keep trying get my wife to do it, but she will not, she prefers being employed, so I offered to employ her still said no

so she works for £6 an hour doing domestic cleaning

Damn you must be hard to live with!  

[Ian Lancaster]

Yes you can run seperate businesses from home.  I've just been all through it with my accountant and we (My wife and I) are in the process of setting up a seperate business to market our franchising system.  We'll be advertising it on here so watch for the banner.  Both our businesses are Ltd Companies and do not compete with each other (i.e. not two window cleaning businesses doing the same sort of work).  Our window cleaning business is not vat registered because all the seperate units are complete in themselves and none of them turn over more than the threshold, neither do we as the franchisor company.  The new company may or may not be registered for vat, depends on how well it does

[Helen]

Yes you can run seperate businesses from home.  I've just been all through it with my accountant and we (My wife and I) are in the process of setting up a seperate business to market our franchising system.  We'll be advertising it on here so watch for the banner.  Both our businesses are Ltd Companies and do not compete with each other (i.e. not two window cleaning businesses doing the same sort of work).  Our window cleaning business is not vat registered because all the seperate units are complete in themselves and none of them turn over more than the threshold, neither do we as the franchisor company.  The new company may or may not be registered for vat, depends on how well it does

Hi Ian,
You are right, but then it is two completely separate entities. Just keep on eye on vat rulings though, as HMRC are starting to look very closely at people who have "different" businesses from one address. (We do, so our accountat has made us aware) ( I did trawl through HMRC vat details and found it!) It speaks about  "the person" which can be a company, a partnership, a sole trader and "that  person" may have to register all businesses they have for vat........

[lee smart]

this could been seen as trying to avoid vat i asked my accountant the same question last year,

[Ian Lancaster]

Thanks Helen,

My accountant doesn't seem to be as much on the ball as yours!  I'll mention it to him.

[Rogue Trader]

even so mate...do you honestly believe that anyone with half a brain and a bit of ambition is going to go out and do £250 of work for you a day for wages on domestics?
Do you really believe that you can keep him happy by sending him out why you appear to be on a wild goose chase building up domestic cleaning customers?
As i say if he can do it then you should be able to show him that you can do it as well and be willing to do it as well...which means building your residential round up and forgetting about house cleaning...
just my honest opinion..... Wink



why not? , this is what i do , i have 4 people that go out and do ecactly this while i sit on my backside in my office surfing the web ,doing a bit of spread betting and doing my daily admin chores , i pay them well and they are happy and reliable

[Helen]

Thanks Helen, My accountant doesn't seem to be as much on the ball as yours!  I'll mention it to him.

Your Welcome!!!
When I have a hour or 2 I'll trawl through the site again and give you the link.
As with all things considered by HMRC it may take some time to implement (hopefully they will decide against it), but at least we have been warned and can be prepared

[dave0123]

What happened to the shop richy was going to open?

[daniel worgan]

even so mate...do you honestly believe that anyone with half a brain and a bit of ambition is going to go out and do £250 of work for you a day for wages on domestics?
Do you really believe that you can keep him happy by sending him out why you appear to be on a wild goose chase building up domestic cleaning customers?
As i say if he can do it then you should be able to show him that you can do it as well and be willing to do it as well...which means building your residential round up and forgetting about house cleaning...
just my honest opinion..... Wink



why not? , this is what i do , i have 4 people that go out and do ecactly this while i sit on my backside in my office surfing the web ,doing a bit of spread betting and doing my daily admin chores , i pay them well and they are happy and reliable

Fair enough...but my perception of downsizing your workforce to enable you to run a more efficient business (which i believe is what ritchy is trying to achieve) would not be to dump the majority of the retained work onto one guy when you are sitting around.
I still believe (no matter how you run your business) that an employer has to lead from the top unless he wants to aggrevate his workforce,and by allowing your workers to see the owner of a small business doing anything else other than what they are doing imo will lead to a certain amount of discontentment.
 

[colley614]

What happened to the shop richy was going to open?

Hey dave, hows things bud?

[Rogue Trader]

depends on your relationship with your workers , i operate a boss / worker divide, i do what i want and they do what i tell them to do , works well for me

[daniel worgan]

depends on your relationship with your workers , i operate a boss / worker divide, i do what i want and they do what i tell them to do , works well for me

Good for company morale.... ....I have allways worked on the premise that if you ask an employee to do something then make sure you show willingness to do it yourself on occasion,until you reach a point of growth that dictates that you then delegate all manual work,but i would hardly say that sitting behind a desk surfing the web and spread betting means you are inundated with managerial work with 4 employees......  

[Rogue Trader]

thanks for the insight mate , maybe you should look into a career change to management consultancy

[dave0123]

Hey dave, hows things bud?

Not bad thanks you?

[colley614]

I'm good me mate. Got myself a van and a new 250 litre system, new trad gear and some different ladders.

I'll be back at it soon myself, looking forward to it and spring was in the air today. It got me excited.