[bobby p]

i used to pay 8  but now pay 7 which i feel is just right. i know a  firm near me also pays that and has about 8 lads,i have 2 .

 the other firm makes the lads pay for uniform and toolbelt ,no pay the first 2weeks trial period,i dont do that

[Moderator David@stives]

6 vans

[Handyman Window Cleaning Services]

i would employ on a zero hour basis.

basically meaning 'as and when'  IMO it the perfect solution as no pay when rained off, no holiday pay and no sick pay.

the catch is that the work rota is on a mutual agreement.

when i needed to employ i made sure there was mutual respect in the work force and my workers were happy with the terms.

for hourly rate i paid £6.50 per hour(1/2 hour break was not paid).  TBH i feel £8-£10 is lot unless i soppose they are raking in £45+p/h

some ppl may think im a tight fisted B@$t@¬d, but i feel its not econoically viable to put them on a full/part time contract pay holiday pay when it rains, deal with sickies etc.  Window cleaning does stall with the weather and if the round is full to capacity, then there no canvassing they can do, basical paying them to do nothing.

as for £6.50 i pay i thought thats the going rate.

[mikecam]

i would employ on a zero hour basis.

basically meaning 'as and when'  IMO it the perfect solution as no pay when rained off, no holiday pay and no sick pay.

the catch is that the work rota is on a mutual agreement.

when i needed to employ i made sure there was mutual respect in the work force and my workers were happy with the terms.

for hourly rate i paid £6.50 per hour(1/2 hour break was not paid).  TBH i feel £8-£10 is lot unless i soppose they are raking in £45+p/h

some ppl may think im a tight fisted B@$t@¬d, but i feel its not econoically viable to put them on a full/part time contract pay holiday pay when it rains, deal with sickies etc.  Window cleaning does stall with the weather and if the round is full to capacity, then there no canvassing they can do, basical paying them to do nothing.

as for £6.50 i pay i thought thats the going rate.

Whats your take on staff retention? i.e do you retain any on this basis?

[Handyman Window Cleaning Services]

yes it does.

make them hungry for the hours, if they not work hungry then i'd imaginge they would go for a non weather permited job

zero hour all the way for me

http://www.mymanagementaccountant.co.uk/2011/02/08/what-is-a-%E2%80%9Czero-hours%E2%80%9D-contract/

[Richard iSparkle]

i would employ on a zero hour basis.

basically meaning 'as and when'  IMO it the perfect solution as no pay when rained off, no holiday pay and no sick pay.

the catch is that the work rota is on a mutual agreement.

when i needed to employ i made sure there was mutual respect in the work force and my workers were happy with the terms.

for hourly rate i paid £6.50 per hour(1/2 hour break was not paid).  TBH i feel £8-£10 is lot unless i soppose they are raking in £45+p/h

some ppl may think im a tight fisted B@$t@¬d, but i feel its not econoically viable to put them on a full/part time contract pay holiday pay when it rains, deal with sickies etc.  Window cleaning does stall with the weather and if the round is full to capacity, then there no canvassing they can do, basical paying them to do nothing.

as for £6.50 i pay i thought thats the going rate.

hey steven,

not sure i;ve read your post right, but on single hr contracts you do still need to pay holiday pay and sick pay dont you?

[mikecam]

yes it does.

make them hungry for the hours, if they not work hungry then i'd imaginge they would go for a non weather permited job

zero hour all the way for me

http://www.mymanagementaccountant.co.uk/2011/02/08/what-is-a-%E2%80%9Czero-hours%E2%80%9D-contract/

Hi mate. I'm not sure if English is you first language. I'm asking ....do you retain any staff on this basis?
If the answer is ...yes, then what sort of length of employment are we talking about?

[alanwilson]

richard speech - I thought you were on your own?

We pay a lot more than any of you guys on here (£60 a day AFTER tax) and I still do well out of my guys.  They aren't going anywhere and I can take a month off if I want and still have a business to come back to.

[Helen]

i would employ on a zero hour basis.

basically meaning 'as and when'  IMO it the perfect solution as no pay when rained off, no holiday pay and no sick pay.

the catch is that the work rota is on a mutual agreement.

when i needed to employ i made sure there was mutual respect in the work force and my workers were happy with the terms.

for hourly rate i paid £6.50 per hour(1/2 hour break was not paid).  TBH i feel £8-£10 is lot unless i soppose they are raking in £45+p/h

some ppl may think im a tight fisted B@$t@¬d, but i feel its not econoically viable to put them on a full/part time contract pay holiday pay when it rains, deal with sickies etc.  Window cleaning does stall with the weather and if the round is full to capacity, then there no canvassing they can do, basical paying them to do nothing.

as for £6.50 i pay i thought thats the going rate.

hey steven,

not sure i;ve read your post right, but on single hr contracts you do still need to pay holiday pay and sick pay dont you?

Holiday pay should be at an average taking over a period of 11 or 12 weeks. (can't quite remember the ins and outs) but yes holiday pay still has to be paid.
Sick pay is down to the employer if they want to pay or not..........we didn't

[Ian101]

i would employ on a zero hour basis.

basically meaning 'as and when'  IMO it the perfect solution as no pay when rained off, no holiday pay and no sick pay.

the catch is that the work rota is on a mutual agreement.

when i needed to employ i made sure there was mutual respect in the work force and my workers were happy with the terms.

for hourly rate i paid £6.50 per hour(1/2 hour break was not paid).  TBH i feel £8-£10 is lot unless i soppose they are raking in £45+p/h

some ppl may think im a tight fisted B@$t@¬d, but i feel its not econoically viable to put them on a full/part time contract pay holiday pay when it rains, deal with sickies etc.  Window cleaning does stall with the weather and if the round is full to capacity, then there no canvassing they can do, basical paying them to do nothing.

as for £6.50 i pay i thought thats the going rate.

hey steven,

not sure i;ve read your post right, but on single hr contracts you do still need to pay holiday pay and sick pay dont you?

Holiday pay should be at an average taking over a period of 11 or 12 weeks. (can't quite remember the ins and outs) but yes holiday pay still has to be paid.
Sick pay is down to the employer if they want to pay or not..........we didn't

Hi Helen .... only found out last week that as you say sick pay dont have to be paid by the employer but the employee can go direct to DSS ..... I think ?? ....... for it but does that go for paternity pay as well do you know ?

[Helen]

i would employ on a zero hour basis.

basically meaning 'as and when'  IMO it the perfect solution as no pay when rained off, no holiday pay and no sick pay.

the catch is that the work rota is on a mutual agreement.

when i needed to employ i made sure there was mutual respect in the work force and my workers were happy with the terms.

for hourly rate i paid £6.50 per hour(1/2 hour break was not paid).  TBH i feel £8-£10 is lot unless i soppose they are raking in £45+p/h

some ppl may think im a tight fisted B@$t@¬d, but i feel its not econoically viable to put them on a full/part time contract pay holiday pay when it rains, deal with sickies etc.  Window cleaning does stall with the weather and if the round is full to capacity, then there no canvassing they can do, basical paying them to do nothing.

as for £6.50 i pay i thought thats the going rate.

hey steven,

not sure i;ve read your post right, but on single hr contracts you do still need to pay holiday pay and sick pay dont you?

Holiday pay should be at an average taking over a period of 11 or 12 weeks. (can't quite remember the ins and outs) but yes holiday pay still has to be paid.
Sick pay is down to the employer if they want to pay or not..........we didn't

Hi Helen .... only found out last week that as you say sick pay dont have to be paid by the employer but the employee can go direct to DSS ..... I think ?? ....... for it but does that go for paternity pay as well do you know ?

A long while since I dealt with it all, so always best to check on HMRC site.
Sick pay from DSS I believe kicks in after 3 days, The employer can pay it and claim back from HMRC. Only a minumum amount a day!
Paternity pay, I never had anyone employed that had a baby, so check out on HMRC site, probably the same, but best to check.

[bobby p]

helen,i reckon u still hav a hankering to run a window biz

[Pope vader]

if i remember right   holiday pay is over the last 13 weeks,

sick pay doesnt have to be pay and neither does paternity or maternity,  if payed by the employer it can be claimed back agaist tax at 100% i think

[Richard iSparkle]

richard speech - I thought you were on your own?

We pay a lot more than any of you guys on here (£60 a day AFTER tax) and I still do well out of my guys.  They aren't going anywhere and I can take a month off if I want and still have a business to come back to.

hi alan,

i have a couple of businesses so have staff which cover both businesses.  i work on the WC van on my own currently, that's probably where you got that impression?

R

[Moderator David@stives]

If you cant pay holiday pay or find them work when it is raining then you havent got a viable business model.

I think you will find even on zero hour, employees still have rights no matter how you employ

[Pope vader]

on a 0 hour contract,  if the employee works regualt hours then he can claim that this is his shift

[H S and Son]

If you cant pay holiday pay or find them work when it is raining then you havent got a viable business model.

I think you will find even on zero hour, employees still have rights no matter how you employ

Excellent post.

[sam125]

i pay mine £350 a week if they work or dont, have 28 days paid holiday. If you treat someone crap expect them to treat you and your business crap. It cost a lot of money to employ people with all the ins, stamp, vans, works out at  £15 ph so make sure your pricing is correct.

[Pope vader]

all seems like to much hassle to employ someone,  wanted some in full time   so rip threw the work and then go knocking,  but might just stay on my own  and dump the jobs i dont want,  its got to be easier

[Helen]

helen,i reckon u still hav a hankering to run a window biz

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