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Eddie_Rhone

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Twin Vac Machines
« on: November 11, 2011, 08:23:19 pm »
Hi

Any twin vac machine owners, e.g Airflex pro, who use 2 inch hose, how far can you clean with this set up.

Regards

Eddie

john martin

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Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2011, 08:55:47 pm »
you loose 10% performance for every 50 foot of 2"  

So with the airflex you start out with aprox ... 125 " lift  and 180 cfm (parallel )

Its really up to you though what performance level is acceptable for you to work with .

Colin Day

Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2011, 09:01:20 pm »
Hi

Any twin vac machine owners, e.g Airflex pro, who use 2 inch hose, how far can you clean with this set up.

Regards

Eddie

I have had the Jaguar for about 2 months and regularly use 100' of hose. There are some who use 150' and still say it's performance is unbeatable...

Eddie_Rhone

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Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2011, 09:09:46 pm »
Thanks for the replies

I should have said 1 Cord twin vac machine. I believe the jag uses 2 cords.

Thanks

Eddie

john martin

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Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2011, 09:21:11 pm »
What is the one cord twin vac machine ? must have no heater ...

in colins case he has 130" lift and 230 cfm .... so he can clean a little bit further  :)

Jim_77

Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2011, 10:39:36 pm »
For a long time twin vac or triple vac was all referring to the same motor (5.7" Lamb Ametek), but now we have these new higher performance vac motors like the jaguar uses.  So whilst the jaguar is a "twin vac" machine it has a lot higher performance than, for example, a Ninja.

Oh I've bored myself.  What was the question again? 

john martin

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Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2011, 10:56:47 pm »
Funny ... the ninja has the jaguar specs but inverted in series spec ...

230" lift and cfm 120 or so ....  but which is better ... hmm



robert meldrum

  • Posts: 1984
Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2011, 11:54:56 pm »
FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Colin Day

Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2011, 12:22:14 am »
Thanks for the replies

I should have said 1 Cord twin vac machine. I believe the jag uses 2 cords.

Thanks

Eddie

Didn't know such a thing existed..... ???

With regards to which machine is better, just wait and see how many second hand machines turn up!

The one that turns up for sale the most is the most unreliable one, Only time will tell.... ;)

james roffey

Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2011, 02:08:42 pm »
Funny ... the ninja has the jaguar specs but inverted in series spec ...

230" lift and cfm 120 or so ....  but which is better ... hmm




Had the Ninja twin vac, now have the Airflex turbo three vac the difference is quite a lot in vacuum strength, the new twin vac storm is even better

john martin

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Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2011, 04:40:57 pm »
Funny ... the ninja has the jaguar specs but inverted in series spec ...

230" lift and cfm 120 or so ....  but which is better ... hmm




Had the Ninja twin vac, now have the Airflex turbo three vac the difference is quite a lot in vacuum strength, the new twin vac storm is even better

The airflex turbo does not have more vacuum lift than the ninja ... but significantly more CFM (around 300)

So the ninja has 230" lift  and  120 cfm ( lift may be an advantage in short hose runs )

The jaguar/storm has 130" lift and  230 cfm

The Airflex turbo has 120" lift and 300 cfm

Turbo is looking the best there to me  :)

Colin Day

Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2011, 04:48:31 pm »
Funny ... the ninja has the jaguar specs but inverted in series spec ...

230" lift and cfm 120 or so ....  but which is better ... hmm




Had the Ninja twin vac, now have the Airflex turbo three vac the difference is quite a lot in vacuum strength, the new twin vac storm is even better

The airflex turbo does not have more vacuum lift than the ninja ... but significantly more CFM (around 300)

So the ninja has 230" lift  and  120 cfm ( lift may be an advantage in short hose runs )

The jaguar/storm has 130" lift and  230 cfm

The Airflex turbo has 120" lift and 300 cfm

Turbo is looking the best there to me  :)

Which machine is it that's always up for sale, second hand...?

Why is that???

john martin

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Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2011, 05:28:13 pm »

Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)

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Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2011, 05:55:48 pm »
Does that price include vat ? If so then it's about right - the Jag is £2600 + vat on WOC site

AJB

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Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2011, 06:21:44 pm »
Colin i think you'll find a lot more Airflexs have been sold
than jaguars. Hence more available second hand.
If the Jaguars and Scorpions were so much better than
tha Airflexs then why the *&%K did servicemaster and i
believe safeclean buy them. They are not stupid, there
is very little to choose between similar specced machines,
be they 3 motor, 2 motor parallel or 2 motor series. i get so
p*&^ed off at the fan boy attitude that no machine is as good
as mine. Even some Jaguars have been back for faults so far,
it is inevitable with any new machine that some mistakes will be made
in design or equipment used. A thorough FMAA in design stage eliminates
many such things, but not all.
All the machines on the market will do the same job. Extra bells and whistles
just means some are quicker than others.
If the jaguar is so perfect why do you use the Zeta, from my point of view
heat is a neccesity so the jaguar has a glaring ommision there.
www.ajbcarpetcleaning.co.uk
At the end of the day a Satisfied Customer is all that counts, They'll come back and so will their friends!!!

james roffey

Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2011, 08:03:37 pm »
Funny ... the ninja has the jaguar specs but inverted in series spec ...

230" lift and cfm 120 or so ....  but which is better ... hmm




Had the Ninja twin vac, now have the Airflex turbo three vac the difference is quite a lot in vacuum strength, the new twin vac storm is even better


I dont know the specs between the Ninja and the Airflex turbo, but i have had both and i think the Airflex leaves carpets significantly dryer, and to me felt much more powerful i never had a glide with the Ninja but had to buy one with the Airflex as the wand just clamped itself to the carpet.
Another big plus in favour of the Airflex is the service from cleansmart compared to what you receive from Ashbys

The airflex turbo does not have more vacuum lift than the ninja ... but significantly more CFM (around 300)

So the ninja has 230" lift  and  120 cfm ( lift may be an advantage in short hose runs )

The jaguar/storm has 130" lift and  230 cfm

The Airflex turbo has 120" lift and 300 cfm

Turbo is looking the best there to me  :)

Colin Day

Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2011, 08:51:18 am »
Colin i think you'll find a lot more Airflexs have been sold
than jaguars.
Hence more available second hand.
If the Jaguars and Scorpions were so much better than
tha Airflexs then why the *&%K did servicemaster and i
believe safeclean buy them. They are not stupid, there
is very little to choose between similar specced machines,
be they 3 motor, 2 motor parallel or 2 motor series. i get so
p*&^ed off at the fan boy attitude that no machine is as good
as mine.
Even some Jaguars have been back for faults so far,
it is inevitable with any new machine that some mistakes will be made
in design or equipment used. A thorough FMAA in design stage eliminates
many such things, but not all.
All the machines on the market will do the same job. Extra bells and whistles
just means some are quicker than others.
If the jaguar is so perfect why do you use the Zeta, from my point of view
heat is a neccesity so the jaguar has a glaring ommision there.


Point 1, How exactly, do you know that? How do you know how many Jags have sold... (Remembering of course that the Yanks buy them too....!)

Point 2, Don't get too stressed there, you'll do yourself harm :P

Point 3, I'm going to be completely honest now... I use the Zeta for the greasy/minging jobs and do, from time to time, use hand hot/warm tap water along with SPM with excellent results you'd expect from an OCD C/C ;)

All I know is, I come across a lot of other machines in my second job and some are better than others.

But let me throw a googly here, look at Neil 47's thread "Powerburst". Proof that in actual fact, with the right knowledge and know how, a Numatic £500 machine is as good at producing the desired results as the most expensive porty on the market... Maybe we're all guilty of being "Fan Boys" to certain degrees... Including you... :P

Hope I haven't p*&^ed on your fire.... ;D ;D ;D

steven Banks

Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2011, 01:08:56 pm »
Thanks for the replies

I should have said 1 Cord twin vac machine. I believe the jag uses 2 cords.

Thanks

Eddie

Didn't know such a thing existed..... ???

With regards to which machine is better, just wait and see how many second hand machines turn up!

The one that turns up for sale the most is the most unreliable one, Only time will tell.... ;)

In that case, there is a ninja for sale on ebay nearly every week.

Colin Day

Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2011, 01:23:01 pm »
Thanks for the replies

I should have said 1 Cord twin vac machine. I believe the jag uses 2 cords.

Thanks

Eddie

Didn't know such a thing existed..... ???

With regards to which machine is better, just wait and see how many second hand machines turn up!

The one that turns up for sale the most is the most unreliable one, Only time will tell.... ;)

In that case, there is a ninja for sale on ebay nearly every week.

Put your tin hat on, Steve. Ninja "Fan Boys" will be on to you.... ;D (I just love that term... "Fan Boys")

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Twin Vac Machines
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2011, 02:07:00 pm »
You could have a jag or storm eyc with a smaller water pump this would give you the 1 cord that you are after not sure how high you could go with the psi may be 300?? May be some on here could work out the ampage/voltage, saying Clinton uses 1 cord on his alltec (or is that on his hair drier)

Shaun