[Colin Day]

 

[john martin]

You could have a jag or storm eyc with a smaller water pump this would give you the 1 cord that you are after not sure how high you could go with the psi may be 300?? May be some on here could work out the ampage/voltage, saying Clinton uses 1 cord on his alltec (or is that on his hair drier)

Shaun

The Jag is designed to fit as much in to it as USA 120v amp draw will allow on two chords ...
The UK market is not really Considered in the design ... but then other US Companies wouldn't bother either ....
The scorpion was/is a Uk considered design ( not available in states , recoil was different  )

Amp draw for the Jag at 120v would be ...
Each 6.6 motor - 12 amps
The 800psi pumptec - up to 8 amps
The pumpout pump - 5 amps

So id say they have a 6.6 and one pump on each cord ...

At 240v all of the above are halved ....
so we could just about stick it all on one cord 20 amp circuit ....

But we could have something else ....
Perhaps ... cord one .... two 6.6 and pump out ( 15 amps )
                  cord two .... another 6.6 and pumptec ( 11 amps )

Or ...
                  cord one .... two 6.6 and smaller pumtec limited to 400 or perhaps more  ( 13 amps )
                   cord two .... 2000 watt heater and pumpout     ( 13 amps )

[steven Banks]

Thanks for the replies

I should have said 1 Cord twin vac machine. I believe the jag uses 2 cords.

Thanks

Eddie

Didn't know such a thing existed.....

With regards to which machine is better, just wait and see how many second hand machines turn up!

The one that turns up for sale the most is the most unreliable one, Only time will tell....

In that case, there is a ninja for sale on ebay nearly every week.

Put your tin hat on, Steve. Ninja "Fan Boys" will be on to you.... (I just love that term... "Fan Boys")

I'm wearing my Yellow hard hat & flame suit Colin.

[darren72]

John dont let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

[john martin]

John dont let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

Me ?    
I could rant about any make / machine ..

Want to hit us with those facts ?   

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I guess if you don't use the auto pumps and have them disconnected to lighten the electrical load.

Shaun

[john martin]

I guess if you don't use the auto pumps and have them disconnected to lighten the electrical load.

Shaun

Yes , or you could put a switch on it ...  but really it not significant the overall load ...
2 amps or so ...
bet most of us plug a twin even with heater into the same room ie same circuit ...i know i do ... we can get away with lots at 240v
One of the biggest problems in the states is they cant really put two vacs on the one cord @ 120v ..amp draw would be 24 to 30 amps ..
I really wouldn't disconnect the auto pump on the jag as that dirty tank is a disaster area design wise ... always an inch of water/grit /fluff in the bottom ... without hosing it out ... 

[robert meldrum]

The mighty Bane runs on a single lead and with modern tools does a sterling job.

[Russ Chadd]

Ok... i can talk about 3 vac machines and twin vac machines because i have had both.

I owned an Airflex Turbo, it was a good machine and very well designed and well made. Now i have moved on to  a Jaguar for these reasons:

1 The Jag is lighter and i can lift it in and out of my vehicle
2 The Jag uses TWO power cords compared to the THREE on the Airflex
3 I can clearly see the water levels in both the solution and recovery tanks because the tanks are translucent
4 All switches, dump valve, guages and vac inlet are all on one side of the Jag so its better for van mounting, no need to reach around the back
5 It has one less motor to replace or repair

Like Colin i use SPM on most domestic jobs, warm or cold water is all thats required for use in the Jag to extract, however on the larger jobs i too use a zeta which provides ample heat and continues water flow of pressures of up to 1750 psi.

Both machines are excellent its all about which one is right for you...

[james roffey]

I have the Airflex Turbo and it has TWO power cords, not three 

The new Airflex machine has only TWO MOTORS like the Jag, and is lighter than the older triple vac Turbo

[Colin Day]

I have the Airflex Turbo and it has TWO power cords, not three 

The new Airflex machine has only TWO MOTORS like the Jag, and is lighter than the older triple vac Turbo

Maybe he's referring to the old Airflex

I have to agree about the translucent waste/solution tank, it is a lot better than what I was used to....

[john martin]

Ok... i can talk about 3 vac machines and twin vac machines because i have had both.

I owned an Airflex Turbo, it was a good machine and very well designed and well made. Now i have moved on to  a Jaguar for these reasons:

1 The Jag is lighter and i can lift it in and out of my vehicle
2 The Jag uses TWO power cords compared to the THREE on the Airflex
3 I can clearly see the water levels in both the solution and recovery tanks because the tanks are translucent
4 All switches, dump valve, guages and vac inlet are all on one side of the Jag so its better for van mounting, no need to reach around the back
5 It has one less motor to replace or repair

Like Colin i use SPM on most domestic jobs, warm or cold water is all thats required for use in the Jag to extract, however on the larger jobs i too use a zeta which provides ample heat and continues water flow of pressures of up to 1750 psi.

Both machines are excellent its all about which one is right for you...

Yes , all machines have issues all can be used to do great job ...

Im just saying ...  for the price of it , over three grand !  The UK
jag could have at least the option of onboard heat .... or indeed an
extra 6.6 both of which would add very little weight ...  Actually the
scorpion weights 87lbs (39kgs) where as the Jaguar weighs 42kgs .
I think the switches are in a poor position and can be easily damaged
by hiting off thing in the van etc ... the waste tank doesn't fully
empty(without pumpout) and access is poor .
The storm seems to be copy jaguar , perhaps cashing in on the hype and
why not ... similar advertising rhetoric and similarly no data to back
up claims  ...
M.S ... a component of many cleaning products cleverly singled out and
marketed to help sell american machines with no heaters 

[john martin]

The mighty Bane runs on a single lead and with modern tools does a sterling job.

Bane        ... great system overall  ... but pros and cons

Yes its a one cord if you just use the water tank heat exchanger which
is plumbed to  van cooling system ... works well but you have to drive
several miles from cold to get hot water .. if you use the emersion
heater in the water tank then its a two cord machine ..

I believe the newer banes use a direct coupled motor/blower instead of
the belt drive and used two cords / US circuits on the blower pump
giving better performance ... so that could be a three cord setup if
you use the heater ..

Great system but the huge price is against it and portables now offer
same or better performance for a fraction of the price ...
Actually the original CA Jaguar 4000 was a bane type blower machine
with an electric vac booster ...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carpet-Cleaning-Electric-Truckmount-Machine-/200660267712?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb848b2c0

 ETM is making a mainstream comeback of sorts here though ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHIWFz3iiv8

[Colin Day]

Ok... i can talk about 3 vac machines and twin vac machines because i have had both.

I owned an Airflex Turbo, it was a good machine and very well designed and well made. Now i have moved on to  a Jaguar for these reasons:

1 The Jag is lighter and i can lift it in and out of my vehicle
2 The Jag uses TWO power cords compared to the THREE on the Airflex
3 I can clearly see the water levels in both the solution and recovery tanks because the tanks are translucent
4 All switches, dump valve, guages and vac inlet are all on one side of the Jag so its better for van mounting, no need to reach around the back
5 It has one less motor to replace or repair

Like Colin i use SPM on most domestic jobs, warm or cold water is all thats required for use in the Jag to extract, however on the larger jobs i too use a zeta which provides ample heat and continues water flow of pressures of up to 1750 psi.

Both machines are excellent its all about which one is right for you...

Yes , all machines have issues all can be used to do great job ...

Im just saying ...  for the price of it , over three grand !  The UK
jag could have at least the option of onboard heat .... or indeed an
extra 6.6 both of which would add very little weight ...  Actually the
scorpion weights 87lbs (39kgs) where as the Jaguar weighs 42kgs .
I think the switches are in a poor position and can be easily damaged
by hiting off thing in the van etc ... the waste tank doesn't fully
empty(without pumpout) and access is poor .
The storm seems to be copy jaguar , perhaps cashing in on the hype and
why not ... similar advertising rhetoric and similarly no data to back
up claims  ...
M.S ... a component of many cleaning products cleverly singled out and
marketed to help sell american machines with no heaters 

But it works.... I did an office carpet today, a proper minger, stains everywhere. Pre sprayed SPM, agitated with Host and the boss of the company came in and said "Wow, looks like a new carpet...!"


I hadn't even rise extracted.....

[steven Banks]

Would it be possible to upgrade a machine currently fitted with twin 5.7 vac motors to twin 6.6 motors in parallel?

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Depends on the integrity of the vacuum tank also the size of the motor compartment, the 6.6 motors are more efficient but there are 8.4 which are yet to be used perhaps that's the next stage in a few years time (not a simple replace with electric pull) I guess the next stage after that is a blower, so Mr.Bane was more advanced than we make give him credit for, I loved my Bane I agree they are over priced IMO but it was built like a battleship and also supplied by an excellent company.

Shaun

[john martin]

Would it be possible to upgrade a machine currently fitted with twin 5.7 vac motors to twin 6.6 motors in parallel?

Whats your machine ... is it parallel
Should be no problem , just modify the brackets to fit ....
performance for each 6.6 is about 120-130 " lift  and  about 130 cfm so dont expect a world of difference ... what would make a difference for longer runs is to modify the vac outlet to 2" , thats one thing the jag has going for it ...

But as you have to get the vacs from the states anyway ...  why not get two lighthouse motors .... great lift specs ... mytee have started using them .

116765-OD  240v

151 " lift  and 220 cfm   ... they cost $150 + 10 to get the hako tube added .... bout the same as the 6.6 price wise ...

half way down this page 
http://www.centralvacuummotor.com/lighthouse.htm

[steven Banks]

Would it be possible to upgrade a machine currently fitted with twin 5.7 vac motors to twin 6.6 motors in parallel?

Whats your machine ... is it parallel
Should be no problem , just modify the brackets to fit ....
performance for each 6.6 is about 120-130 " lift  and  about 130 cfm so dont expect a world of difference ... what would make a difference for longer runs is to modify the vac outlet to 2" , thats one thing the jag has going for it ...

But as you have to get the vacs from the states anyway ...  why not get two lighthouse motors .... great lift specs ... mytee have started using them .

116765-OD  240v

151 " lift  and 220 cfm   ... they cost $150 + 10 to get the hako tube added .... bout the same as the 6.6 price wise ...

half way down this page  
http://www.centralvacuummotor.com/lighthouse.htm

Mytee Speedster 500 deluxe. Good sized bay to accomodate larger motors. Current motors are twin 5.7 in parallel. 2" vacuum hose as standard.

Specifications:
Body: Roto-molded polyethylene
Tank: 12 gallon
Vacuum: 2-3 St
CFM: 200
H20: 137"
Pump: Piston
PSI: 0-500
GPM: 1.45
Cords: Dual 50' 12/3

[john martin]

Would it be possible to upgrade a machine currently fitted with twin 5.7 vac motors to twin 6.6 motors in parallel?

Whats your machine ... is it parallel
Should be no problem , just modify the brackets to fit ....
performance for each 6.6 is about 120-130 " lift  and  about 130 cfm so dont expect a world of difference ... what would make a difference for longer runs is to modify the vac outlet to 2" , thats one thing the jag has going for it ...

But as you have to get the vacs from the states anyway ...  why not get two lighthouse motors .... great lift specs ... mytee have started using them .

116765-OD  240v

151 " lift  and 220 cfm   ... they cost $150 + 10 to get the hako tube added .... bout the same as the 6.6 price wise ...

half way down this page  
http://www.centralvacuummotor.com/lighthouse.htm

Mytee Speedster 500 deluxe. Good sized bay to accomodate larger motors. Current motors are twin 5.7 in parallel. 2" vacuum hose as standard.

Specifications:
Body: Roto-molded polyethylene
Tank: 12 gallon
Vacuum: 2-3 St
CFM: 200
H20: 137"
Pump: Piston
PSI: 0-500
GPM: 1.45
Cords: Dual 50' 12/3

' Mytee Steve '  i should have guessed

I would say you have pretty good motors as is ( specs above ... show mytee always print accurate data ... other manufacturers would just double the cfm rating for two vacs but you never get double ..you get about 70% on the second vac ....

but when they need replacing i cant think of a more appropriate machine to upgrade to the lighthouse vac i mentioned above ...
Mytee are using them in their new M5  but calling them LMB3A motors inhouse ...
and they are 5.7 three stage but with a newer conical fan assembly ... if you do order make sure you  ask to get the hose tube fitted to them ...

if you want to fit  to 6.6 you would have a unique machine also ... but more performance from the lighthouse .

[john martin]

and .... to fit the lighthouse you need two of these thicker gaskets to fit the conical bottom 

http://ccs5.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=68&products_id=4765