[Taylor & Taylor WC Services]

Any facts if wfp does shorten the life of wooden frames and sills on this would be helpful.

[scud]

  Through my experience over the last 8 years, I believe that it accelerates the weathering of the paint/stain.

  I suppose it could then easily be argued that it will start to get into the timber quicker than if wfp wasn't used.

  I shouldn't go telling customers though.

[Mike #1]

it may shorten the life due to the water sitting on bottom of frames and sill for a while after the clean but does'nt the rain , 

Poorly maintained frames will suffer frames which are looked after and maintained dont suffer i have custys that do and dont look after their wooden windows and guess which look the best got nothing to do with WFP it rains more times than we clean custys windows in a year ,  MIKE

[AS Window Cleaning]

I have wondered the answer to this question, i have only used wfp for 2 years now, and wondered if there are some marks appearing, even on pvc frames. 

I heard builders criticizing this system for rotting upstairs cills, turned out it was because those win cleaners werent brushing the cills at all, and dirt was building up and eating into the cills, so so long as was regularly brushing window cills that wouldnt happen.

I wouldnt be surprised if it did wear it out long time..........but not bin in wfp game to speak with experience.  Would love to know tho....... or maybe not!

[Nameless Drudge]

Anything thats begun to weather/ flake is definitely helped along by wfp and thats probably due to the action of the brush rather than the water though the brush will be making sure the water gets into every nook and cranny and further behind any flaking. So i would give it a thumbs up as an accelerator but not the cause.

[H2GoKent]

We live in a very damp country, I can't see that the windows being wetted an extra time once a month could do that much.
It does dislodge flaky paint, but that accelerates the rough appearance not the flaking...

[[GQC] Tim]

If you would compare windows that have not been cleaned to the ones that have been cleaned wfp ; uncleaned almost falls apart whilst wfp'ed windows stay much better for much longer. The difference is even apparent on 4 weekly opposed to 6 weekly.

If windows start to flake they should have been painted a very long time ago. When I use a cloth on those windows it removes more paint then a soft brush.

[Andy Prittchard]

Are these responses admittable in a court of law?

[mark dew]

I did a manor house for a couple of years trad before they got repainted again with a 5 year gap between the last paint job.
After about a year of wfp the south side window frames paint started to lift in places. Only a small bit though. The other 3 sides of the house paint job was fine. I wfp'ed the place for another year and a half before they moved away and the south side had worn loads compared.
So i've always believed since wfp does accelerate the deteriation of wooden windows. More accelerated on the south side than other sides away from the sun.
No articles on it though.

[[GQC] Tim]

So if wfp was responsible for it, you'd expect all sides to have problems wouldn't you.......?

[mikecam]

So if wfp was responsible for it, you'd expect all sides to have problems wouldn't you.......?

I'm thinking the same Tim. It might not have crossed his mind that the temp extremes are doing it, just like temp extremes blow windows. But there ya proof !!! One side in four, and its WFP to blame !!! 

[mark dew]

So if wfp was responsible for it, you'd expect all sides to have problems wouldn't you.......?

Yes, i would. But the point is that the south side deteriorated quicker then the other sides.
I only tradded them for 2 years before using wfp for another year and a half, so i wouldn't call it a scientific study. Just an observation.

[mark dew]

So if wfp was responsible for it, you'd expect all sides to have problems wouldn't you.......?

I'm thinking the same Tim. It might not have crossed his mind that the temp extremes are doing it, just like temp extremes blow windows. But there ya proof !!! One side in four, and its WFP to blame !!! 

It did cross 'his' mind briefly, but he's only interested in what is in front of him.
He also thinks wfp highlights a crap job by the painter. He ain't out to prove anything, just to share his observation/opinion. 

[dazmond]

i lost a £20 account after 2 cleans with wfp when i first started with the system.he said that pure water would rot the frames quicker.it was quite a large house with old wooden mainly georgian windows.

im not convinced.more like poorly maintained frames IMO.once a month or every other month with wfp would not make  a difference if the frames/windows are in good condition in the first place!

[Jeff Brimble]

Change over to rainwater even if only mentally.

[LWC]

Ridiculous, what happens when its raining/lashing down, more water is left than we do!

As said, poorly maintained frames are to blame NOT wfp!

[AS Window Cleaning]

the main difference surely being that we use deionised water. its more aggressive on dirt due to its pure nature, and rusts metal quicker than rain water. so it could accentuate weathering to poorly maintained wood surely? tho I have to say I can't see how would do with just 1 clean every month or 2.....

[Luke B]

My opinion is that the greater erosion effect from pure water is very small and barely noticeable and then only over a long period of time. I think that window frames that are cleaned more effectively and therefore have more friction applied over time will naturally wear quicker but as I say only to a tiny degree. People who have a problem with this should not have their windows cleaned!

[[GQC] Tim]

the main difference surely being that we use deionised water. its more aggressive on dirt due to its pure nature, and rusts metal quicker than rain water. so it could accentuate weathering to poorly maintained wood surely? tho I have to say I can't see how would do with just 1 clean every month or 2.....

Especially how quickly it dries, it won't have any impact on the frames in my opinion. Rain, moisture, sun, dirt, snow, ice, expand and contract, it all is much much worse then going over it briefly with a soft brush and some water.

[Dave Anderson]

Have been going 5 years now and most window frames here in The Netherlands are double glazed units in wooden frames...and to be honest I have not observed any super fast rotting of frames but what I would say is that not all paint is good paint...even when freshly applied.

Cheers
Dave.